Isaac, Actually, I think it is rather uncharitable and patronizing of you to make the comments you post here, as regards Terry's experience and such and the consequent relevance and worthiness of his criticism. In minimizing the pertinence of his comments, perhaps you do the same for yourself. Terry is giving us the results of his own experience taken from the view of an both an owner and a technician. In general, the deficiencies he ascribes to the new verticals, in my opinion, will be confirmed by any person who has but a few examples of these pianos serviced and under his belt. The new Steinways, grands and verticals, of the last 30 or 35 years have had a series of characteristic, numerous, serious problems of various kinds. These are extensive, and to my mind, essentially inexcusable. The fundamental sound of the instruments, for the most part, once these problems have been addressed as best they can, is, to my ear, very,very good, leaving the instrument a worthy one, inspite of these inadequacies. However, on a piano that purports to be the best in the world, exhibiting unique, "hand-made quality", etc.etc., it seems inexcusable to me that the numerous defects in parts and workmanship that have existed in this period could be allowed to persist, yet they do. The point could be made, however, given the marketing success of the last ten or twelve years, that they would be foolish to change much, something I don't agree with but which I can see the logic of as it could be said as regards sales, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I remember, many years ago, as a young technician, the intense, profound sense of disappointment, and also astonishment, that progressively came over me as I perceived the ridiculous failure of quality control I began to encounter when working on new Steinways. Working then with a Steinway dealer, which is among several I have worked for, and experiencing the deceptive, perfunctory approach to these problems, at even the most basic of levels on the part of the factory which, to this day, continues to minimize their existence, ignore their implications and, makes the attempt to overcome through PR any negative effect on sales, long ago convinced me that the real purpose of the service department was the same as the rest of the factory and that is SELL, SELL, SELL. Yes, any business must do this, but is should look to, and master its own inadequacies of product as an internal matter and not confuse quality control, again an internal matter, with marketing per se, which, of course, is a public one. The market franchise, persona and mystique of a Steinway piano, created over a hundred years ago by the marketing genius of William Steinway, whether deserved or not, and I think it was at one time, continues its effectiveness, something which in business, is, perhaps, unprecedented in the period since the Industrial Revolution. The pianos, in my opinion, have improved since the late sixties, although there is a lot yet to be done. A voluminous book, I think, could be written on this. These comments are made viz.a viz. the North American model. The Hamburg version is a different animal and I think generalizations can be made only in a limited fashion from one to the other. I believe Terry is right as to the variable plate placement for the reason he stated and for others but this is just the tip of the iceberg as regards problems in these pianos. Because of the fundamental strength of the designs, even if flawed from a modern perspective, and the superior quality of material used in the instruments, particularly the rim, and, above all the resulting sound, they continue to persist, now for several generations and inspite of these inadequacies, as first rate musical instruments, or, at least, in being perceived as such. Demographic changes undergone by the economy as a result of WWII and the disruption of continuity at the factory at the same time during which at, one point, I believe the company had to devote the major part of its efforts at making gliders, following close on the heels of the traumatic times of the thirties, is, and this is just one man's opinion, the most important factor in the great decline of quality control in the period since. There are many other relevant factors. This being said, this disruption, in a particular point of criticism, has lead to the use of the overly soft, lacquered, and now heavy hammer used at present, its being patented, and its presentation to the world as a worthy innovation, a view, I think, which is believed by many, including technicians who, in my mind, should know better. It is necessary only to give attention to the parts and quality control of their pianos produced prior to WWII, to the function of the hammers in particular, and, also, to the nature and quality of the actions used in this period, although this is a complicated subject, from about 1870 to 1985 or so, to conclude that there was, in fact, a better way to build actions and, in particular hammers, and that this company did do it better at this time, along with, practically, every other part of the manufacture of their piano. I am sure some would accuse me of being an antiquarian, which I am not, but I do believe, that, at least in this case, "they don't build them like they used to". All that is necessary to reach this conclusion, in my opinion, is to be familar with the general characteristics of older Steinways and to contrast those with the new production. I think David Koelzer's term "Steinway posse" is most apt for those who, for whatever reason and I by no means wish to impugn the motives or rationality of this decision, have thrown their lot in with the company, it's reputation and commercial success, as I have, during certain periods, done myself. This decision is a matter of business. Steinway's success, though, is capable of enforcing upon the technical community decisions which may be contrary to decisions taken were purely technical considerations paramount and does so on a regular basis, yet we, as technicians, should not be confused or taken in by the hype and marketing rationale which, essentially, in this day an age, is the basis for this success. I think Terry has hit it right on the nail in his commentary as to what one should expect from a new piano and the contrast between expectation and event he experienced when acquiring a 1098. He is unusual, as we all are, in point of comparison as regards the buying public, as he is technically informed and can take note of deficiencies the marketing power of the company has been capable of overcoming on a non-technical basis, and, you may, but I would not. gainsay him for that. Regards, Robin Hufford Isaac OLEG SIMANOT wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit
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