Bill, I started to respond to all of your "***" but decided it wasn't worth my time. I am so glad you're so impressed with your "tuning" skills. Maybe someday, I will be too. I hope everyone else thinks the same thing. I am SO tired of all your rantings. I wish you'd get off your soapbox about how wrong everyone else is and write "productively" about what I know you can! Otherwise, I wish you'd just quit posting to the list at all! Finally, even I have had enough!!!!!!! Avery At 02:52 PM 05/05/02 -0400, you wrote: >List, > >I have been far too occupied during the last 2 weeks to read much of what >has been discussed here. I've been doing as I have for over 13 years now, >tuning not a single piano in ET. I have tuned for public performances, >rehearsed the Bach St. Matthew Passion in which I will perform as one of >the soloists today, attended a Baroque English Opera where the harpsichord >was in Meantone and tuned a Steinway A & B for young artists who are >preparing to be in competitions. Both are studying Beethoven. Both >choose me as their technician because of the superior way I make their >pianos sound and for how long they continue to sound good after being tuned. > >I did manage to read some of what Ted Sambell wrote. My encounter with >him is very clear in my memory too. Let me say that I do respect him very >much. I believe that he is the caliber of PTG Member who deserves the >kind of recognition provided by the Hall of Fame or Golden Hammer >award. Anyone would be lucky to have him as a mentor. > >I clearly remember Ted's very strong admonition. If it wasn't a finger >pointing, I remember a hand gesture, what the French would call "montrant >le doigt" (showing the finger) intended to dissuade me from the ideas I >had about tuning. > >The piano I used that day in 1990 was a Korean import which was used to >give PTG Tuning Exams. I was on the Exam Committee, training to become a >Certified Tuning Examiner. In order to qualify for that training, I had >to have passed the exam with all scores above 90 which I had done fully 8 >years previously and scoring a perfect 100 on unisons among other scores. > >Now, Ted said my unisons and octaves were bad but he had noticed an >improvement in more recent years. That piano had some very bad false >beats which were noted as part of the record. I had also invited an RPT >who is a piano dealer from New York to play the piano. Both Ted and he >said the same thing and both banged violently on the notes they thought >were mistuned and unstable. I explained that false beats were the cause >but apparently Ted does not remember that. > >As for the octaves, I was also using the unique Tempered Octave system I >had developed several years previous to that event and which I still use >today, have been using all along and certainly will continue to >use. Neither my unisons nor my octaves are substantially different or >better now than they were 12 years ago, except that I may have more skill >at hiding false beats through unison tuning today than I did then. > >I listened to what Ted had to say and noted it. I also noted that it was >coming from a most erudite practitioner who commanded a great deal of >respect. But I still was not at all convinced by what he had to say, just >made aware that there are many people who must have the same strong >convictions and sets of beliefs that he has. > >Ted's views are much like those which appear in Isacoff's new book, >"Temperament". He does what William Braide White does, tips his hat, so >to speak, to Meantone, letting us know that there once was this other way >to tune but which is obsolete to the point of not even being worthy of >study unless one wants to prove to oneself just why it is obsolete because >of it's restrictiveness. There is no other possibility, so it would seem >from reading these authors. > >Ted, Isacoff and others ascribe many accomplishments in music history to >the use of ET. Others are grasping at any straw to try to show or prove >that ET was in use at such and such dates in history so that such and such >composer *may* have used a piano in ET. From this pure conjecture, we are >supposed to be motivated to embrace the almighty oneness, correctness, >appropriateness and infallibility of ET and reject any other idea as folly. > >Well, I don't. It was my work as an Examiner and learning to use such a >tool as the SAT which demonstrated to me that ET never was and is not >today the standard which it has always been believed to be. It is well >achieved today by some top professionals but even in the latter part of >the 20th Century, the tuning profession was not always consistent which >can be heard on many recordings, even very recent ones. > >Ted implies that all evidence of acceptance of non ET is anecdotal but >acceptance of ET is proof of its superiority. Ted's dislike of the >Vallotti temperament that day in 1990 and his description of the >distasteful sounds it produced were his opinion and thus anecdotal >too. That piano dealer hated it too but what interested me was the fact >that there were many people who tried it, listened to it and found it >beautiful and intriguing. I remember one Quebecer telling me that the >Beethoven which someone played on it sent chills up his spine the way no >other tuning had ever done. > >Yet, we are supposed to dismiss this as anecdotal and go back to the idea >which has been standard practice for over 100 years, so they say. It >would be imposing to do anything else. It would be unethical to do >anything else without explanation and permission and the offer to tune it >*BACK* to ET if it is not found to be acceptable. >I don't buy any of that because I know from many, many observations (some >of them documented) that professional piano technicians, some of whom call >themselves concert tuners cannot and do not tune in ET. > >In fact, I believe that it is the ET only philosophy which has led to the >perversion of practice which I heard once called Reverse Well and which >designation stuck with me. If there is only one way to tune, then that >one way becomes whatever interpretation the practitioner puts upon it. It >most often ends up being Reverse Well but is never recognized for what it >is. It has been going on long enough and is pervasive enough however, >that I believe it may have established its own influence on music, the way >ET is thought to have done. > >I'm not going to tune any pianos in ET for anyone for any reason and that >is my right and prerogative. If I lived in another area and worked under >different circumstances, I might be forced to but that is why I choose to >live and work where I do and as I do. If I did go tune in New York City >for example, I would speculate that the resistance to what I do would not >come from artists, musicians or the public, only from other tuners who >can't do what I do. > >I've often been told as a way of putting down what I do that it is not new >and has been tried and rejected before. Bill Garlick used to say that >there is nothing that anyone could do today that had not already been >done. I can accept that but I challenge anyone anywhere to show me any >documentation which shows a temperament and octave arrangement that is the >same as mine. When I see it, I'll change the name from EBVT with Tempered >Octaves to whatever it was called before. I don't expect anyone will ever >find it. > >It does play Beethoven more appropriately than ET does. It also plays >Bach and virtually any other composer's music from any era and in any >style more appropriately than ET does because of the Cycle of 5ths Key >Color feature and the Equal Beating features which allow simple keys to >sound purer than they really are. It avoids the harshness of most >documented HT's and so it makes it suitable and appropriate for all kinds >of music, more suitable and appropriate than ET. This is not just an >opinion nor is there just anecdotal evidence for it. > >Everyone has the right to believe what they want and I don't expect very >many people to take up my idea because you can't do it by just programming >an ETD. You have to work at it and understand what it's all about. But >that means that what I do is unique and of my own design. Anyone else is >free and encouraged to come up with their own ideas too. A new CD will >appear on the market in July which will feature 2 pianos tuned this >way. The pianists and other musicians are all from New York except the >leader who is from Madison, WI. > >Bill Bremmer RPT >Madison, Wisconsin ><http://www.billbremmer.com/>Click here: -=w w w . b i l l b r e m m e r . >c o m =-
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