Thanks for your response Paul Larudee, my last e-mail was not meant personally for you but more in general and of course I understand the reasoning behind your complaints. I personally have no complaints at all, but maybe this has to do with the fact that I almost never do double tunings anymore. The other day I did a double tuning on a Bösendorfer concert grand. It was about 3 Hz too low and it took me exactly 1 hour and 45 minutes to complete the task of bringing it up to the desired pitch. The concert was in the evening and I checked the tuning again and amazed to find a very stable tuning exactly at 444. For the double tuning I charged 2 tunings, which is fair, attending the concert is another matter. So my question is : do you think 1 hour and 45 minutes is slow for a double Verituner concert tuning? (I am not opposed to your opinion, I am merely curious) friendly greetings from Antares, Amsterdam, Holland "where music is, no harm can be" visit my website at : http://www.concertpianoservice.nl/ > From: larudee@pacbell.net > Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:38:19 -0800 > To: pianotech@ptg.org > Subject: Re: The Verituner, an opinion from a user in Holland > > Antares, > > As you may have gathered from my posts, I agree completely with you in terms > of > the final result. Verituner is unsurpassed in this regard. My problem is > with > the amount of time it takes to achieve that result. I find myself having to > do > a second pass much more often with VT than with RCT. With RCT I do a second > pass only when the piano needs a pitch adjustment of nearly 10 cents or more, > and I charge extra. I don't feel justified in charging extra for pitch > adjustments smaller that that, when they wouldn't require a second pass with > RCT. I think I would lose a lot of customers if too many of my routine > tunings > included a pitch raise charge. > > The other criticism I have is that even the first pass takes somewhat longer > than necessary, in my opinion, because of the rather primitive display. With > RCT you have only to keep your eye on the spinner the whole time. It moves > right, left, clockwise, counterclockwise, and blushes, but it's always that > spinner. With VT you have an inner spinner and an outer spinner and you have > to > switch focus, and the inner spinner sometimes disappears and becomes a sharp > symbol or a flat symbol. Then in coarse mode you have yet another type of > display (even more primitive). I think its a bit confusing, on a reactive > level, and results in somewhat slower eye-hand coordination. > > Of course it's more satisfying to get the VT final result, but not if it's > going > to slow me down. These are problems that can be solved, and when they are, > I'll > be in the market again. > > Paul Larudee > > antares wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I have not been a subscriber to Pianotech for some time now (I have been >> extremely busy in the last year) and somebody told me about the recent >> Verituner posts on this list. >> I am a Verituner user myself and curious by nature, so I surfed to the >> archive to read the last mails about this subject and, subscribed again. >> >> Maybe it would be correct to tell you that I have used the Verituner for >> almost a year now and that, to this day, I am extremely happy with it. >>> From day one I noticed that un-tunable instruments suddenly began to sound >> like real pianos and that beautiful pianos sounded so incredibly even and >> harmonious that it soon became more than clear to me that only the very best >> aural tuners would be able to get the same result (and certainly not within >> the 45 minutes I need). >> I tell you this because I can simply not understand how anybody with real >> knowledge about this miracle machine, can have anything against it. >> Sure, I read the complaints about the way it looks, about the weight and >> about the over-pull capacities, but how about the - unsurpassed - final >> result? >> >> I live in Amsterdam, in Holland, and Holland happens to be a country where >> the Verituner has become rather popular in a very short time. >> Some new users, indeed, have made a few remarks (on the Dutch piano forum) >> about their Verituner, and they were basically the same as the ones I read >> in the archives : a little bulky and the way it looks. >> But they all are very happy and very enthusiastic VT-tuners because they are >> aware that this machine is a true revolution in tuning machine-land. >> >> I myself have, for a fairly long time, used a Yamaha PT-100, so I have >> become used to that kind of weight and volume in my tool back. >> The size of the verituner therefor is no real obstacle to me. The way it >> looks? sure.. it definitely could be more sleek and cool looking. >> But we must not forget that the verituner, with its wonderful possibilities, >> is at the same time reasonably new on the market and in its early stages of >> development. >> I am certain that the makers (technicians themselves) are aware of what >> piano tuners/techs want (and they are, because there is a Verituner forum >> where new ideas are being posted continually by VT-users) and, because of >> the highly inspirational atmosphere there, I am sure that we can expect more >> exciting developments in the near future. >> >> At the same time, I am more than content with my fantastic tuning aid and I >> am also aware from experience that most industrial products change and >> develop very fast (depending on the market). >> It is the same with my car ; I could wait till doomsday for the very last >> new development but at the same time I need one right now, so I choose a >> model and (luckily enough) I am happy with it, knowing that the next model >> is always 'more and better'. >> >> Let me just make clear to you that I don't earn one Euro, nor a penny, with >> this e-mail and that I am certainly not against any other really nice tuning >> machine (and there are those, and tastes always vary from person to person). >> >> What is most important to me is the final the result : a perfect electronic >> ear. >> That - is truly remarkable and that earns some respect. >> >> friendly greetings >> from >> >> Antares, >> >> Amsterdam, Holland >> >> "where music is, no harm can be" >> >> visit my website at : http://www.concertpianoservice.nl/ > >
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