Isaac: Of course you're right about that. Renner's Hamburg Steinway hammer and Boesendorfer hammer, for example, are two hammers I put on periodically for those instruments and they are considerably harder. This is where having a clamp to hold a section of hammers for prevoicing really helps. But the Renner Blue is still much harder than the NY Steinway style hammer which I prefer for older American pianos such as Baldwin, Mason Hamlin, Chickering, Knabe. There are times, however, when a tensioned hammer is appropriate and I have used the Renner Blue on many occasions. I'm still looking for something in between a Steinway and a Renner Blue. Perhaps that's impossible given the differing styles of hammer making. I've heard sets of Isaac hammers that I've liked, but consistency from set to set has varied a bit too much in the past from my limited experience with them. But, though I like the NY Steinway hammer, I wish they could pull the felt a little tighter from G5 to the top. David Love ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr> To: <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: February 16, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: RE: David Love/Voicing tool Recommendation > Hi David, > > From an European point of view the Renner Blue is on the soft side, yes, but > the actual 'tensioned' hammers we have are not very hard, not much more > unless you ask for. > > Isaac > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part > > de David Love > > Envoyé : jeudi 14 février 2002 03:50 > > À : pianotech@ptg.org > > Objet : Re: David Love/Voicing tool Recommendation > > > > > > Joe: > > > > I agree that I don't prefer this type of hammer, in all honesty I prefer > > Steinway style hammers when I can. But there are times when a tensioned > > hammer is more appropriate for the instrument. The way they are a fair > > amount of softening the shoulders is necessary to give some > > resilience, so I > > inject my elbows with pain killers and plow ahead. Believe it or not, I > > believe the Renner people think that the Renner Blue is a softer hammer. > > > > David Love > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett@earthlink.net> > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > Sent: February 13, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: David Love/Voicing tool Recommendation > > > > > > > David and all, > > > If I had to do that much "pre-voicing" or even "voicing" to a set of > > > hammers, I wouldn't by a second set!!! We all need to start being more > > > "picky" and complain more to the hammer makers to get them to > > quit making > > > what I call "baby ball peen hammers"!!!!! Just my thought on > > the subject. > > > Having said that, if we are dealing with a particular piano with their > > > "Factory" installed BBs, then that's another matter. In that case, if we > > ALL > > > would talk to the company service rep., everytime we encounter this > > problem, > > > then maybe, just maybe, they might reconsider making a potentially great > > > sounding piano sound like the sounds of a destruction derby, everytime > > it's > > > played. Especially after the piano has been played for a few years. Feed > > > back from us is the only thing that will make a difference, but > > we need to > > > be vocal about it. I did that with the M&H rep and they now offer > > different > > > hammers of different densities. Finally, someone really is paying > > attention > > > and cares. My hat is off to M&H, on this account! > > > Regards, > > > Joe Garrett, RPT, (Oregon) > > > > > > > > > > > >
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