You are waiting for direct measurements???? Why do you not do this yourself? Terry Farrell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Newton Hunt" <nhunt@optonline.net> To: <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Unwrapped ends of bass strings > American string makers (major suppliers) are infamous for making agraffe > ends 1.25" to 1.385" long when ordering by make/model or patterns for > full sets. Amazingly with individual replacement strings the do NOT > shorten the copper. When asked why they do that the made person in > charge said he did not know, that was just the way the make them. > > The only way I have found to get what I want _was_ to supply only data > sheets. Now it seems even those are not being followed. > > I am confused. Unfortunately a normal state of affairs for me. :) > > Currently I am waiting for direct measurements from the piano for the > second time hoping that information can help prevent the same problem > with a set ready to print. > > Newton > > John Delacour wrote: > > > > At 21:17 02/10/01 -0400, Newton Hunt wrote: > > >This should show what I mean. > > > > > >This set was made, by a known provider, from a verified set of > > >specifications I supplied. > > > > > >Needless to say, I, and the rebuilder, are annoyed no end. > > > > Quite rightly so, and yet the error is very regular and consistent, > > which > > shows that either the marker-out was cutting corners or > > misinterpreting > > your data. > > > > On a grand with agraffes, the copper on both strings should be the > > same > > distance from the agraffe, of course. > > > > It has always been English practice to work from a rubbing plus any > > patterns and specifications the customer likes to provide. If a > > customer > > sends me either just the old strings or just a list of measurements, I > > charge an extra fee for the added time required to work in this way. > > It > > would be impossible for this error to occur working with a rubbing. > > > > What you have here is presumably a Steinway with the bridge pins in a > > straight line instead of staggered in the normal (proper) way for > > equal > > speaking lengths. I am guessing that your 'copper line' at the > > soundboard > > bridge is good and that for some reason he has given both strings of > > the > > bichords exactly the same cover length, as would be required in most > > pianos. If you specified differential cover lengths (as you should > > have) > > and he thought he knew better and equalized them, then he has cocked > > up. In the hypothetical case that you specified equal cover lengths, > > then > > he didn't. > > > > Judging from the very blurred jpeg, it looks to me as though the > > stringmaker has worked very methodically and exactly on the basis of > > wrong > > measurements. Wherever the fault lies as to the cover data, any > > sapient > > stringmaker would question any data that resulted in staggered pairs > > like > > that. If he hasn't learned yet that Steinway grands are queer, he > > hasn't > > been paying attention. > > > > JD
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