Terry , I think Charles confirmed the point I was trying to convey. Charles Neuman <piano@charlesneuman.net> wrote: "When Randy cautions against "playing the slot machine", he refers to really pulling the pin hard either up or down. He and George talk about that on the tape (I think my tape is from 2000). But Randy does say that in your last movement of the pin to bring the string down to tune, you can think of moving the pin about 10 degrees down (on a vertical). This "tweaking" is OK, but really pulling on it is not. In my course it's on page 20 of Chapter 1.2. I know it's on the tuning video, and I think it's on the Intro to Piano Service video as well." Jon Rhee > From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> > Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:56:31 -0500 > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Subject: Re: Flag-poling: a way of life, or...? > > I think you guys are talking about two different things: "playing the slot > machine", is to be minimized, that is, bending the pin up and down, or > flag-poling - the other item, that Randy recommends, is to TURN the pin so > that the string is slightly above pitch, and then for a final movement, TURN > the pin back to lower tension until the string is at desired pitch. > > I think. > > Terry Farrell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Rhee" <jrhee@fai-arch.com> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: Flag-poling: a way of life, or...? > >> Tom, >> >> Your right, Randy does caution against poor practice of manipulating >> the pin "playing the slot machine" or randomly yanking downwards on it. >> It's possible that I have a more updated version of the course but in the >> tuning video George Defebaugh demonstrates proper manipulation of the pin. >> I don't have the course in front of me (I'm at my real job-UGH) but when I >> get to it I'll get you a page number on that material. I'd be interested > to >> compare notes.. >> >> Jonathan Rhee >> Weymouth, MA >> >> >>> From: Tvak@AOL.COM >>> Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org >>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:53:18 -0500 >>> To: pianotech@ptg.org >>> Subject: Re: Flag-poling: a way of life, or...? >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/29/01 8:42:17 AM, jrhee@fai-arch.com writes: >>> >>> << He speaks at >>> length on how to properly manipulate (tweak) the pin in vertical pianos. >>> >>> >>> Gee, maybe I missed that. Maybe I'm recalling the video. Somewhere in >>> there I seem to remember the caution to not "treat the tuning pin like a > slot >>> machine" and never move the pin up or down. At any rate, I took that > advice >>> to heart before coming across a tuner tuning a piano at the Chicago > Cultural >>> Center. Clearly his movements were vertical! That prompted me to meet > with >>> a local RPT and indeed his advice was to adopt some vertical motion > after >>> completing the turning process. (ric's recent post described it best.) >>> >>> Can you give me a page number on the section describing vertical motion > of >>> the pin? I'd love to read it. (or re-read it) >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tom Sivak >> >> >
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