key leveling -- crown?

antares antares@EURONET.NL
Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:10:43 +0100


I would still always use the piano for key leveling Terry, it is just saver
and doesn't require double work.

btw.. 
I was in Florida in September, but  Storm Gabriella changed my entire
direction (in case you were wondering about 'why & what'.


friendly greetings
from

Antares,

Amsterdam, Holland

"where music is, no harm can be"

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> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:00:56 -0500
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: key leveling -- crown?
> 
> I've been doing all my key leveling on the bench also Carl - but with mixed
> results. I thinks most of it depends on how flat the keybed is. But now I've
> got a 1970s G.Steck Aeolian grand keyboard on my bench that I am regulating
> & key leveling.
> 
> I bedded the keybed real good in piano before bringing to shop. Re-check
> bedding on regulating table - pretty good - presumably piano must have flat
> keybed (my regulating table is dead-on-flat). Remove stack, remove black
> keys. Hmmmmmmm, bedding not so good now, seems center rail has risen up a
> bit - reset glide bolts. Set my two end keys at 2-1/2 inch height, level
> white keys. Remove all white keys except for couple on end and several here
> and there to observe white key/black key height relationship, install all
> black keys. Put level stick on WHITE keys and Wowha - all white keys are now
> low - like in the 0.025" range. Check center rail - center rail is a tad off
> regulating table. OK, so apparently the center rail flexes up and down, and
> removing the white keys allows the center rail to go up a tad. But why then
> would the white keys go down - they should go up.
> 
> But that is not the point. The point is clearly leveling keys is best in
> piano - but I just love the bench. What about a dummy fake stack thingee
> that you can place varying amounts of weight on to simulate the fully loaded
> keybed. This would at least eliminate the problem of any keyframe flexing on
> the bench. You would still have potential trouble with warped keybeds, but
> this might help. Wadddayathink????
> 
> Terry Farrell
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@home.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: key leveling -- crown?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:35 AM
> Subject: RE: key leveling -- crown?
> 
> 
>> Not only Steinway consider good new keyboard leveling will show a little
>> arch in the middle.
>> Klaus Schimmel does too, so Seiler, so other German makers, and their key
>> bed is not arched.
>> 
> 
> Thanks Isaac,  I didn't know that.  Glad to hear that  me and
> Steinway aren't the only dumb Germans around.
> 
> So how is it that those who arch their key level and not the bed compensate
> for the shorter penetration of the key pin into the mortise?  Do they arch
> the height of the key pins or make the key thicker?
> 
> 
> 
>> In fact on Steinway  we may use and arched rule because of the arched
> keyed
>> only, they don't pretend it is for the future wear of the balance
> bushings,
>> that is other makes that pretend (?) that.
>> And may be is it only for visual effect !
> 
> If you use an arched rule to level the keys on a flat bench, you will have a
> double arch when you put the action back in the piano.  A Steinway rep told
> me "you can't level the keys outside the piano, It's not accurate enough."
> Well, DUHHH!
> 
> Unless it's just a touch up, I always level keys on the bench.  That's the
> only efficient way to do it.  I remove the stack, clamp the frame to the
> bench, and use weights on the back checks.  Of course touch up may be
> required after the stack is reinstalled and the action put back in the
> piano.
> 
> I try my best to simplify my life but it seems there are those that keep
> wanting to complicate it.  Oh, Well!!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG
> Santa Clara, California
> cmpiano@home.com
> 
> 
> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Isaac OLEG
>> 
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
>>> de Carl Meyer
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 16 novembre 2001 21:07
>>> À : pianotech@ptg.org
>>> Objet : Re: key levelling -- crown?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, Dick , it was Steinway that did that.  However it was done
>>> to make the
>>> key level line follow the crown in the keybed, which was put in to
> ensure
>>> full contact (spring loaded) of the action frame to the bed.
>>> 
>>> Had it been to compensate for felt compression, wouldn't it be
> appropriate
>>> to have a schedule of releveling according to age or mileage?  Maybe
> 1/16
>>> initially, then after 50000 songs we relevel to 1/32.  Then after
> another
>>> 50000 songs to1/64?  Now, if the key frame is refelted we must start the
>>> schedule all over again.  Damm!!! nobody told me that they'd refelted
> this
>>> keybed!!
>>> 
>>> I've been trying to kill this legend for several years now.  It's hard
>>> because at first glance it seems so "impressive" so "logical" so
>>> "sophisticated" and it was of course Steinway that did it.  Was it
> really
>>> necessary to crown both the bed and the key frame or would it have been
>>> sufficient to but more crown in the key frame?  Does Steinway
>>> have a patent
>>> on that?  I doubt it.  Does any other company use that technique?  I
> don't
>>> know of any.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't guessed yet, I think crowning the key bed is a
>>> dumb idea.  It
>>> was a complicated, expensive, confusing and just silly solution to a non
>>> existent problem.
>>> 
>>> Maybe they would rather we say bad things about them than to say
>>> good things
>>> about some other brand.  Politicians always say "Say anything you
>>> want about
>>> me, just don't misspell my name".
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG
>>> Santa Clara, California
>>> cmpiano@home.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dick Beaton" <rbeaton@initco.net>
>>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: key levelling -- crown?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> All...
>>>> I recall the reason for doing this is that the middle of the piano
> gets
>>>> played more than the ends. In time it will even itself out as the felt
>>>> center rail punchings flatten out more.  As I recall, it was
>>> Steinway that
>>>> did this.
>>>> Dick RPT MT
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Charles Neuman <piano@charlesneuman.net>
>>>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:00 AM
>>>> Subject: key levelling -- crown?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 



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