Ron and Del, It being the weekend I am able to post to the list and comment on the ripple analogy. I apologize for the length of this post but it is what is required to express the point. The ripple analogy is, to my way of thinking, rather inaccurate, or perhaps I should say, substantially so, as a model for soundboard behavior. Here is the reason why I think this is so. A force exerted by some object against some other object must ultimately cause either translatory motion of the object, rotation, or a stress disturbance propagating in the object itself and, of course, increase or decrease its energy as the case may be. As I am sure you know this is dependant upon the impulse, point of application, center of mass, etc etc and, in particular, the ratio of the mass of one object to the mass of a second object. In contact forces, obviously energy is transferred by the mutually induced strain of one object by another. For example a ball hit by a baseball bat will be deformed during the period of contact with the bat which itself will undergo deformation. Eventually, however, the kinetic energy of the bat which is substantially greater than that of the ball overcomes that of the ball whose direction is reversed and the ball then flies away. During the period of contact substantial strain occurs to both the ball and the bat: this is the only mechanism of transfer of energy from one to the other. This is of course, all old hat. The point that I am trying to make is that it is the ratio of the mass of the objects and the duration of contact that determines whether the energy transferred will in fact cause translation, rotation or a stress disturbance in the oject tself. For example, a mosquito hitting head on an aircraft carrier travelling in a direction opposite to it when both are travelling at thirty miles an hour will not in any way affect the velocity of the carrier even though their closing speed is 60 miles an hour, notwithstanding vector addition, because the energy of the mosquito on a molecular and atomic level is not sufficient to propagate a stress disturbance through the carrier that is adequate to reorganize the individual vectors of the particules which comprise the carrier. However, the particle velocity of some of the particles on the carrier will be changed, they in turn transmit a change to others and thereby a stress disturbance of limited duration passes through a part of the ship which has gained a little bit of energy, essentially in the form of heat. The mosquito however, will suffer profound change both in structure, that is as deformation, and velocity as the vectors of the individual particles, so to speak, overcome by those of the ship and acceleration occurs. A similar thing would happen but with the ship undergoing deformation and, as it were, reacceleration should it encounter something, say the sun, a planet, a continent, or other structure whose mass was sufficiently great. The point of all this is that it is the ratio of the masses of two bodies which are in contact with one another along with the force interacting between them which determines whether organized motion such as translation or rotation will result as the vectors of one body overcome those of another, as it were, or whether a stress disturbance passes through one of the bodies. The stress disturbance may be periodic or chaotic as the case may be but if the threshold for imposing translation or rotation is not reached then translation or rotation does not occur and the energy exchange of the two bodies in contact is of the nature of stress disturbance. How does this relate to pianos? The soundboard assembly,- ribbed, bridged, pinned, crowned, glued in at the inner rim and on the whole vastly more massive and stiff than a string does not move at the bridge/string contact point, in my opinion. This is because the ratio of masses is not adequate for the string to move the board. That is why one can touch the bridge where the strings cross without killing the sound, even though a mere damper assembly is sufficient to do so when applied to the string. Excursion of the bridge and soundboard at this point is neglible if extant at all. One could, I suppose, call this a ripple but this is misleading and of little significance. I agree with J. Delacour that a compression wave passes through the board : this is a stress wave which has, of course, an attendant strain. The strain itself is the displacement but this displacement is on an atomic and molecular level as the particles oscillate about their neutral position. There is no excursion or flexing of the soundboard at this point as the forces involved are not sufficient to actually move the board, a point which anyone observing weights placed upon, go bars used, or even people sitting on soundboards while under repair in shops might begin to suspect. Depending upon the boundary conditions some fraction of the stress wave, of course - one should say waves in reference to strings, is reflected back into the board. At this point things become interesting. In a truly isotropic medium a stress wave, no matter where initiated in the board, would, for a given shape and set of boundary conditions be reflected back and pass through itself, recurrently, in predictable locations; in predictable frequencies and at predictable amplitudes constituting now a standing wave in the board itself. This occurs as the superpositions of the stress disturbances result in progressive augmentation and cancellation of the wave form as the phase relationships cycle through reinforcement to cancellation. At this point diaphragmatic motion, that is excursion, takes place in multiple areas of the board.and this is what designers adjust. The modes and Chladni figures visualized by the sand technique are visible indications of this whole process. Alas, or, perhaps, thankfully, the great anistropy of the board, arising first and foremost from the nature of wood itself and greatly increased by variable fletches used in the board, grain angle and orientation, ribbing, thinning, bridging and binding down at the rim, gives great flexiblity to the soundboard designer to control the amplitude and relative frequencies of the modes, which is where actual motion takes place. This has allowed the piano business of the last several hundred years to arrive a numerous differing incarnations of sound, in the instruments produced for public sale, something to my mind that is a true treasure of Western Civilization. A tuning fork will illustrate handily the nature of displacement and stress propagation in the same item and is very much analogous to string and bridge/soundboard. When set into motion the tines of the fork are obviously moving to and fro; when touched the sound is stopped. This is displacement and it is greatest at the end of the tines where the stiffness is least. As one travels down the tines even as the stiffness becomes progressively more and displacement less the strain disburbance still exists. It is simply expressed differently. Translation has become vibration. At the base of the tines there is no motion of the base itself but rather the stress disturbance or, vibration. One can hold the base of the fork and realize it is not moving in the same fashion as the tines nor is the sound immediately stopped by contact with the hand as would occur with displacement. Energy is travelling through the fork which can be immediately seen if it is touched lightly to another object. It will vibrate - essentially bouncing up and down. If you touch this same fork to the plate of a piano one will hear the sound suddenly much louder, a phenomenon we are all familiar with. This very same process happens in the plate as happens in the soundboard. It can also happen on a window, a wall, a floor, - strain energy is loaded into these things, which propagates, reflects and superposes creating modes which are again the areas exhibiting real displacement even if extremely slight. In the case of the plate, in spite of the fact that it is extremely stiff, no amount of pressure at the point of contact of the fork will prevent this short of breaking the plate or fork. Once again, speaking both metaphorically and mechanically the fork is greatly analogous to the string - it acquires energy from some source and experiences actual displacement as does the string. The string is attached to a sufficiently rigid material at the bridge/soundboard/string interface that this displacement is transduced to strain energy as happens at the base of the fork. Both drive the board, or anything else, at least mechanically, in a similar fashion as has been described. Regards, Robin Hufford Ron Nossaman wrote: > >There is also often an attempt to distinguish the vibrations of an elastic > >medium which is exposed to air, from the vibrations induced in the air by > >the interaction. Both of these are technically sound waves, since both are > >vibrations in an elastic medium. The fact that the air can interact > >directly with our ear, while the soundboard cannot do so makes absolutely > >no difference. They are both sound. One might say that the interface > >between the soundboard and the air is a transducer (ha ha), converting the > >power input from the sounboard to power output in the air...but that may > >be treading on thin ice after tha past few days here. > > > >Stephen > > My problem with the use of the word "sound" here was the impression that > the soundboard works with internal compression waves. While sound that we > hear by atmospheric transmission is a pressure wave propagation, the > pressure wave propagation isn't the primary driver of soundboards. It's the > ripples on the surface of the "pond" that produces the bulk of the pressure > wave in the air that we hear. > It's not the word that is the issue, it's the wave form. > > Ron N
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