SAT III Question

[Richard Oliver Snelson]

Hi Terry, Apparently Joe has a really short fuse about his article and
anything else that someone asks about. Other ideas are fine, but stick
with the FAC method. I wrote an article for the journal, does that give
me the opportunity to be condescending. I don't think so. 
Richard Oliver Snelson
Oliver Piano Services. 

Farrell wrote:
> 
> Gee whizz Joe. Cut me a little slack. IMHO, it is not a no-brainer whether
> to provide a written report for a pre-purchase inspection. These are usually
> done with a short notice (would do little good to tell the piano shopper
> that I will fit you into the schedule 3 weeks from now) - so you often have
> a separate trip across town (one hour at least for driving). I usually spend
> about an hour inspecting the piano to be thorough. That's at least two hours
> right there (often more). It would take me at least another half-hour to
> write letter and get in mail. So now you have 2-1/2 to three hours at least.
> I don't know how folks can do all this and only charge a tuning fee. I would
> have to charge $150 - I believe that would price me out of the market. What
> would you charge? This is why I asked the question. Condescending responses
> are not appreciated.
> 
> As for the SAT III question, I did read the article back then, and I read it
> again over breakfast today. I am not lazy. I do read. I read each Journal
> cover to cover. I am always interested in learning new approaches to things.
> I do not appreciate the tone of your response (or David). In your article,
> you present an alternative method for use of the SAT. Great. The piano
> technician industry is more rich for insightful contributions like your
> article. But you did not answer my question. I am simply trying to
> understand exactly how the SAT works and how pianos work. I do not
> appreciate your insults.
> 
> I will now quit before the smoke coming from my ears turns to fire.
> 
> Terry Farrell
> Piano Tuning & Service
> Tampa, Florida
> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
> 
> >Terry,
> >Write the details on PAPER! That's really a no-brainer. AND CHARGE MORE!
> For
> >the most part, all technicians do not charge what they are worth! It's high
> >time we all quit under-selling ourselves.
> >Regards, Joe Garrett
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:31 AM
> Subject: Pre-Purchase Inspection Liability
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett@earthlink.net>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: SAT III Question
> 
> > David,
> > EXACTOMONDO!
> > Big Grins.
> > Joe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Ilvedson <ilvey@jps.net>
> > To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: SAT III Question
> >
> >
> > > Yea, but Joe that would mean reading it first...;-]
> > >
> > > David I.
> > >
> > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > >
> > > On 4/24/01 at 3:31 PM Joseph Garrett wrote:
> > >
> > > >Terry,
> > > >Why screw around with FAC in the 1st place. Try the method I advocated
> in
> > > >the Jan.2000 issue of the PTJ. It'll make you a better tuner, so you
> > won't
> > > >have to sweat the small stuff (pso).:-)
> > > >Regards
> > > >Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon)
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> > > >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:22 PM
> > > >Subject: SAT III Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Every once in a while (it happened the other day on a Knabe console
> > > about
> > > >> 15 - 30 years old) I'll tune a piano that seems to defy the SAT. I do
> > > the
> > > >> FAC in the normal manner, but when I start tuning and checking
> octaves,
> > > I
> > > >> find that the calculated octave stretch above A4 is way too much. I
> > find
> > > >I
> > > >> need to enter a Double Octave Beat (DOB) factor of up to -2.0 to
> settle
> > > >the
> > > >> calculated tuning down enough for my tastes. This is after measuring
> > the
> > > >"A"
> > > >> and "C" values several times - and even notes next to them. Anyone
> have
> > > a
> > > >> thought on why this might occur?
> > > >>
> > > >> Terry Farrell
> > > >> Piano Tuning & Service
> > > >> Tampa, Florida
> > > >> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >