Thank you Terry. I'm learning to tune aurally and I've recently purchased an Accu-Tuner III to check my temperament octave, F to F embracing middle C. Robert Conrad, of Kansas City, MO., has been helping me get through the initial learning curve of the AT III. Bob is a Inventronics Distributor. I don't seem to have any problems with the unison and octave tuning. My initial problem was hearing the beats on the 5ths, 3 beats in 5 seconds, but that is coming around. I've learned a lot by just reading the posts on the pianotech@prg.org page. I'm up there past the 60 year old range and my college room mate has been a tuner for the past 18 years. I've been a professional pianist, since '55, jazz mostly, have a 7 piece band, and write all the arrangements. Dick Day (college room mate) lives in Marshall, Michigan, and we communicate quite a lot and discuss many of the nuances that pop up from time to time. I thoroughly enjoy this new challenge and look forward to adding this to my accomplishments. Again Terry, thank you for your help. Gordon Holley Goshen, IN -----Original Message----- From: Farrell [SMTP:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:08 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: other story No sweat Gordon. HT = Historical tuning temperament (a.k.a. non-equal tuning temperament), VTD = Visual Tuning Device (a.k.a. ETD, or electronic tuning device). How are you learning to tune? Terry Farrell Piano Tuning & Service Tampa, Florida mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Holley" <gordon_holley@hi-techhousing.com> To: <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: RE: other story > Terry, please forgive my ignorance as I'm a beginner in the trade, but what do you mean by "HT" and "VTD". > Thank you for the help. Gordon Holley, gholley@hi-techhousing.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [SMTP:tunenbww@clear.lakes.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM > To: pianotech@ptg.org > Subject: Re: other story > > Terry > Sorry for the late reply......... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: other story > > > > > ....and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD. > I speak here for the tech in my area, some who use ETD's but don't tune > HT's. Their work is commendable. > > > > Have you, or anyone else, found that an aurally well-tuned HT (Kirnberger > > for example, but Vallotti or whatever) is any different from a VTD > > well-tuned HT? If so, why? What would be the source for any significant > > difference? > > I think you'll find a difference because the ETD "listens differently" or > listens to different things than an aural tuner. Just like two individual > tuners will listen differently but get nearly the same results. > > For example, IMHO, proper use of a SAT III (or RCT, etc.) on a > > S&S B tuning ET should result in a very nice tuning - and let's exclude > > individual preferences (which can be accommodated by proper use of the SAT > > III also). Take that tuning, tune that same piano with the appropriate > > offsets for the desired HT. Compare that SAT III HT tuning to an aural > > tuning of the same HT on an identical piano (let's assume the pianos > perform > > with similar characteristics). Will there, or should there, be significant > > differences? > > Here again, I'd say there would be differences, how significant I don't > know. To the customer they wouldn't matter. Another tuner that can check the > accuracy of these tunings may find some discrepencies. My point is that in > my area, I don't know of any tuner using any temperament other than ET > whether they tune aurally or with an ETD. Someday maybe I'll own one, but > for now I tune aurally and am very excited to finally break into HT's which > I've wanted to do for years but was unsure how or where to turn. The LIST > has been very helpful and encouraging and provides plenty of resources. My > thanks to all who have taken the time to reply with answers and additional > materials. I've known these temperaments were out there and were/are being > tuned by aural tuners. It's just taken me some time to find my starting > point. I encourage anyone who's never tried HT's to go ahead; use the > mentoring available. > > > > Very curious for some good info on this one. Thanks. > > > > Terry Farrell > > Piano Tuning & Service > > Tampa, Florida > > mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul" <tunenbww@clear.lakes.com> > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 AM > > Subject: Re: other story > > > > > > > Ed > > > I did charge a higher rate for these tunings, because of reasons you > > stated > > > and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD. Floor > > tunings > > > never do pay well, but something exclusive, especially with impressive > > > results justifies the extra charges. > > > I followed the instructions you handed out quite literally, and came up > > with > > > tunings that, I'm guessing, would be Kirnberger. For more practice, I > > tuned > > > a Story & Clark console with the instructions, and again came up with a > > very > > > nice, full sound. I'm just beginning to get a sense of latitude so I can > > > work towards a temperament that is more "Victorian." At this point I > find > > it > > > hard to relate what's developing for lack of experience. But IT IS > > EXCITING! > > > The reactions so far have been very positive and supportive. I'll be > > trying > > > it on a Steinway L, Kawai RX 5 and a Boston 196. I have a couple of > > clients > > > that are very open minded and will offer an alternative to them. I'll > keep > > > you posted. > > > And thanks for your support! > > > > > > Paul Chick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <A440A@AOL.COM> > > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: other story > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Paul Chick was asked about his initial venture into non-ET in a > > > > commercial venue: > > > > <<Here's what they said: > > > > > > > > "Oh!!! This is different. The piano sounds bigger. How did you > voice > > > it > > > > > > > > like this?...I just happen to know something in F#...ah it's a little > > > > > > > > harsh.(Elton John piece)." > > > > > > > > "Oh man!!! If you can make a Kohler & Campbell (SKG600 Grand) > sound > > > like > > > > > > > > this, what can you do with a Boston or Steinway (grand)? Man!!! It > > sounds > > > so > > > > > > > > opened up." > > > > > > > > "Oh my, you made this thing sound bigger! You said you did what to > > it? > > > > > > > > Can you make my piano at home sound like this!?!>> > > > > > > > > This is really good news, and I hope Paul is able to extract a > > > premium > > > > price for his additional expertise. He went to some trouble and > expense > > > to > > > > get it, and he took some extra risk in its introduction, so his > returns > > > > should increase to justify his initiative. Money is a major impetus > in > > > > expanding ones abilities to a multi-temperament status. Temperaments > > are > > > > tools. > > > > Perhaps Paul could give us some idea of what strength temperament > he > > > > tuned, since I believe that the instructions I passed out were "Tuning > > to > > > > Taste" and allowed a great deal of lattitude for the tuner to make > their > > > own > > > > decisions. Paul??, (I feel like a fellow fisherman asking,"What are > they > > > > hitting on, today?" ) > > > > Regards, > > > > ED Foote RPT > > > > > > > > > > >
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