other story

[Farrell]

No sweat Gordon. HT = Historical tuning temperament (a.k.a. non-equal tuning
temperament), VTD = Visual Tuning Device (a.k.a. ETD, or electronic tuning
device). How are you learning to tune?

Terry Farrell
Piano Tuning & Service
Tampa, Florida
mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Holley" <gordon_holley@hi-techhousing.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: other story


> Terry, please forgive my ignorance as I'm a beginner in the trade, but
what do you mean by "HT" and "VTD".
> Thank you for the help.  Gordon Holley, gholley@hi-techhousing.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul [SMTP:tunenbww@clear.lakes.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Subject: Re: other story
>
> Terry
> Sorry for the late reply.........
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: other story
>
>
> > > ....and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD.
> I speak here for the tech in my area, some who use ETD's but don't tune
> HT's. Their work is commendable.
> >
> > Have you, or anyone else, found that an aurally well-tuned HT
(Kirnberger
> > for example, but Vallotti or whatever) is any different from a VTD
> > well-tuned HT? If so, why? What would be the source for any significant
> > difference?
>
> I think you'll find a difference because the ETD "listens differently" or
> listens to different things than an aural tuner. Just like two individual
> tuners will listen differently but get nearly the same results.
>
> For example, IMHO, proper use of a SAT III (or RCT, etc.) on a
> > S&S B tuning ET should result in a very nice tuning - and let's exclude
> > individual preferences (which can be accommodated by proper use of the
SAT
> > III also). Take that tuning, tune that same piano with the appropriate
> > offsets for the desired HT. Compare that SAT III HT tuning to an aural
> > tuning of the same HT on an identical piano (let's assume the pianos
> perform
> > with similar characteristics). Will there, or should there, be
significant
> > differences?
>
> Here again, I'd say there would be differences, how significant I don't
> know. To the customer they wouldn't matter. Another tuner that can check
the
> accuracy of these tunings may find some discrepencies. My point is that in
> my area, I don't know of any tuner using any temperament other than ET
> whether they tune aurally or with an ETD. Someday maybe I'll own one, but
> for now I tune aurally and am very excited to finally break into HT's
which
> I've wanted to do for years but was unsure how or where to turn. The LIST
> has been very helpful and encouraging and provides  plenty of resources.
My
> thanks to all who have taken the time to reply with answers and additional
> materials. I've known these temperaments were out there and were/are being
> tuned by aural tuners. It's just taken me some time to find my starting
> point. I encourage anyone who's never tried HT's to go ahead; use the
> mentoring available.
> >
> > Very curious for some good info on this one. Thanks.
> >
> > Terry Farrell
> > Piano Tuning & Service
> > Tampa, Florida
> > mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul" <tunenbww@clear.lakes.com>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: other story
> >
> >
> > > Ed
> > > I did charge a higher rate for these tunings, because of reasons you
> > stated
> > > and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD. Floor
> > tunings
> > > never do pay well, but something exclusive, especially with impressive
> > > results justifies the extra charges.
> > > I followed the instructions you handed out quite literally, and came
up
> > with
> > > tunings that, I'm guessing, would be Kirnberger. For more practice, I
> > tuned
> > > a Story & Clark console with the instructions, and again came up with
a
> > very
> > > nice, full sound. I'm just beginning to get a sense of latitude so I
can
> > > work towards a temperament that is more "Victorian." At this point I
> find
> > it
> > > hard to relate what's developing for lack of experience. But IT IS
> > EXCITING!
> > > The reactions so far have been very positive and supportive. I'll be
> > trying
> > > it on a Steinway L, Kawai RX 5 and a Boston 196. I have a couple of
> > clients
> > > that are very open minded and will offer an alternative to them. I'll
> keep
> > > you posted.
> > > And thanks for your support!
> > >
> > > Paul Chick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <A440A@AOL.COM>
> > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: other story
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >      Paul Chick was asked about his initial venture into non-ET in a
> > > > commercial venue:
> > > > <<Here's what they said:
> > > >
> > > >     "Oh!!! This is different. The piano sounds bigger. How did you
> voice
> > > it
> > > >
> > > > like this?...I just happen to know something in F#...ah it's a
little
> > > >
> > > > harsh.(Elton John piece)."
> > > >
> > > >     "Oh man!!! If you can make a Kohler & Campbell (SKG600 Grand)
> sound
> > > like
> > > >
> > > > this, what can you do with a Boston or Steinway (grand)? Man!!! It
> > sounds
> > > so
> > > >
> > > > opened up."
> > > >
> > > >     "Oh my, you made this thing sound bigger! You said you did what
to
> > it?
> > > >
> > > > Can you make my piano at home sound like this!?!>>
> > > >
> > > >      This is really good news, and I hope Paul is able to extract a
> > > premium
> > > > price for his additional expertise.  He went to some trouble and
> expense
> > > to
> > > > get it, and he took some extra risk in its introduction, so his
> returns
> > > > should increase to justify his initiative.   Money is a major
impetus
> in
> > > > expanding ones abilities to a multi-temperament status.
Temperaments
> > are
> > > > tools.
> > > >     Perhaps Paul could give us some idea of what strength
temperament
> he
> > > > tuned, since I believe that the instructions I passed out were
"Tuning
> > to
> > > > Taste" and allowed a great deal of lattitude for the tuner to make
> their
> > > own
> > > > decisions. Paul??, (I feel like a fellow fisherman asking,"What are
> they
> > > > hitting on, today?" )
> > > > Regards,
> > > > ED Foote RPT
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>