This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thank you all who answered. I will reply in one post to all in a cut = down version. Even so, it will be a little longer than I would like. = Here goes... Was the furnace fan (or other fan) running? Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., = A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. If both pianos have the same problem in the same area of the scale, you = might look elsewhere. Would there be a ceiling fan running? Jim = Krentzel * In answer to both, there was no ceiling fan. The studio was a small = nicely remodeled room off of her garage. The only source of heat or = other climate control was an electric plug-in baseboard radiator about 6 = foot long. Humidity was 61% and the temperature was 63* F. I stressed = the importance of climate regulation to her and recommended dampp = chaser system for both. The bass strings are quite often shot due to industrial pollution, = probably some dealer did a bit of a clean up job on the strings before = selling them. The majority of grey market instruments in our area, need = re pinning and stringing after a year or so. If you live in a dry = climate start checking glue joints on the bridge, cap, and ribs. Roger = Jolly * I am very familiar with grey market Yamahas being that I used to work = for a Yamaha dealer. The climate here in Portland has rain forecasted = normally about 9 months out of the year. We usually don't have humidity = problems here that you would have in most of the rest of the US = affecting the grey market pianos. But you are right, Rodger. I did = check the piano out before I tuned it. The bridges are solid as well as = the glue joints and they don't have any cracks at all. Even hairline. I think you will find that there is as much as 20c difference in the = pair on another partial that is causing the racket. This makes the piano = untuneable IMHO and replacing the set is the only way to go. Re scale = too. One thing that I will try just before taking the strings off is to = let the string down a fifth to an octave and use the notes hammer to try = to move the winding by pounding the note 10 to 20 times very vigorously. = This works on dead strings to bring some life back into the string. = Joe Goss * I could well believe the 20c difference. Perhaps these two are even = worse. What is IMHO? I know what you mean by pounding the life into = strings, Joe. It's great, but it didn't work. Sorry, I forgot to put = that in my original post. I need to get an ETD over there and measure. = Things are pointing at a rescaling and string replacement. When I run into this sort of thing, it's probably because I haven't = stretched the previous octave enough. Going back, stretching and = blending, I can usually clean up after myself and find a minimum garbage = situation that I can live with. If not, and in the unlikely event that the customer can tell the = difference, it's time for that rescaling discussion. Following others' = tunings, I often find the low bass too sharp (at least, by my = reckoning). Ron N * These were so far out in the partials stretching wouldn't work, and = yes, she can tell the difference...unfortunately. :o) I find the same = thing in the low bass too. Mostly likely these are scaling problems. If you send me the speaking = length, core and wrap diameter of one or two notes we can do the = calculations and know for sure. Bridge, board and rib design do effect = tone but I doubt as much as these basses. A redesigned set of bass = strings could do wonders for these pianos. Send me the numbers and we = can have more real data to talk with. Newton * If she will let me in again, I will take the measurements and send = them to you. :o) I let her know at the first appointment that there = was a good possibility that the only remedy may be to replace the set of = bass strings and perhaps a rescaling. If she is that interested in = getting a good sound, she's had time to let the idea sink in. I already = have my foot in the door. Thank you all for the wonderful answers. I'll keep you posted. Dave Streit, Portland, OR ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/9e/d6/58/e7/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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