In a message dated 6/30/00 8:11:38 AM Central Daylight Time, lesbart1@juno.com (Leslie W Bartlett) writes: << Two or three questions. 1) How far "out" out does it have to be before one says "pitch raise extra tunings"? (given a decent piano) 2) How do you get it through customers' heads that there is a problem that won't go away in one tuning? >> I'm glad you asked these questions and I haven't had time to read all of the other responses, I'm just giving you my own opinion. I often see how people talk of tuning a piano in "one pass", something I almost never do. I double tune almost every piano, even the ones that most technicians might consider to be "at pitch". Why? Because I don't consider the piano to be "in tune" unless it ends up being stable and what I really intended it to be. Whether by an SAT program or orally, each interval, octave and unison must be what I intended or it is not right. In my experience, not just my opinion, this usually cannot be achieved by manipulating each tuning pin just once. Even is the piano is close when starting, a single pass will reveal imperfect unisons and pitches of certain notes which have drifted slightly as the result of tuning the other two strings of a unison. A second pass is required to correct these imperfections. Because I have deliberately chosen to tune an alternative type of temperament and octaves when I tune, my tunings must be above all criticism or else I might expect the same problem you had in this instance virtually every time. I developed these very rigid standards however long before I started using alternative temperaments. I started out in my community very much the way I started out on this List: a newcomer, no one had heard of me and I had to hold my own if I was going to make a living. I couldn't afford to have other technicians confirm that my work was poor. It had to be a cut above all the others and I made sure that it was. I usually consider that any pitch change that exceeds 20 cents (5 beats per second or more at the starting pitch) will need not two but three passes. If the piano is really a half step low, you are only fooling yourself if you think you can really get it into tune in under four passes. Even then, such a piano will not hold very long although a customer who has endured that kind of condition may think it is OK and hopefully, this will work to your advantage. If you want to avoid a confrontation, you need to inform the customer immediately that the piano will require extra work in order to get it into tune because it is beyond the point where it can accept a "normal" tuning. If they cannot afford or do not want to pay extra, you could offer the alternative of only partially correcting the pitch, say 10 to 15 cents in the direction it needs to be for standard. If the piano is say, 30 cents flat, this may be fine for them in many cases. In the case of a newer piano, which it sounds like your customer had, they may wonder why a piano which is "only two years old" would be so far off when in their experience, they may know of other pianos that may have gone two or more years and not lost much pitch at all. You need to make it clear in a case like this that a new piano really is much more unstable. Be sure to check the plate bolts in a grand like this before raising the pitch. It can make a big difference in you stability. I seem to detect a lot of resistance among some technicians about doing more than one pass. I guess they must think that they will be doing two jobs while being paid for only one. There is an article about pitch raising in the June Journal that I just received. Although I wouldn't really go about it in the way described, one common thread I see among people who do multiple pass tunings is to not waste time trying to get the piano perfect during the rough tuning. The secret is to keep moving. It is entirely normal for me to tune the piano twice over completely in 30-45 minutes. I can usually do a pitch raise of 20-50 cents and three passes in about one hour (and earn the extra fee). It just takes practice and a concentrated effort about moving the tuning hammer from pin to pin without wasting time. I rarely break strings and have never in 31 years ever broken a tuning pin. If it looks to the customer as if you are unsure of yourself, then you can expect that they may find fault with your work. If it appears to them that while you are working, each of your movements is accomplishing something positive and in the end, after a period of time that doesn't seem either too long or too short, they have a piano which produces beautiful music, they won't even think about questioning your work. If they have been told in advance that it *may* need tuning again in only a few months, you will be a lot further ahead than if they discover that for themselves. We all learn the hard way, there is no better way. Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin
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