John Broadwood

Roger C Hayden rchayden2@juno.com
Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:26:05 -0800


Where is this Broadwood relic?  

R C Hayden

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:46:29 -0800 "Bruce Vredevoogd"
<wintercreekpw@earthlink.net> writes:
> Fellow listers, I need to set a price on an 1840 John Broadwood 
> cottage
> upright. It is in very good condition, everything works, the 
> rosewood is
> still looking good, and it has papers from the london manufacturer. 
> The only
> blemish is a small piece of veneer has split off. The piece is with 
> the
> piano and could be replaced in a short time. Please respond with 
> dollar
> values or for more info. Thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotech-digest <owner-pianotech-digest@ptg.org>
> To: pianotech-digest@ptg.org <pianotech-digest@ptg.org>
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:42 PM
> Subject: pianotech-digest V2000 #46
> 
> 
> >
> >pianotech-digest      Friday, January 14 2000      Volume 2000 : 
> Number 046
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:44:21 EST
> >From: Jlovekeys@AOL.COM
> >Subject: Re: something to make with an old upright:
> >
> >List, I don't have a web site, but I have made a computer desk and a
> >workbench of a couple of pianos. I would be glad to send a pic to 
> anyone
> who
> >might be interested. Mine are a less elaborate but may give you 
> some ideas.
> >Thanks.
> >Jim Love
> >PTG Associate
> >Midland,Tx.
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:52:03 MDT
> >From: Ted_Sambell@banffcentre.ab.ca
> >Subject: soundboard seminar
> >
> >                      Subject:                              Time:  
> 10:46 AM
> >  OFFICE MEMO         soundboard seminar                    Date:  
> 14/01/0
> >To answer a few FAQ's we're receiving:
> >
> >1.)  YES, the seminar is just two days:  Feb. 17th and 18th 
> ($89.00cdn)
> >
> >2.)  YES, you may register with a credit card
> >
> >3.)  YES, we believe this soundboard installation workshop is the 
> first of
> >it's kind.
> >
> >4.)  NO, Andre (Bolduc) has no plans to offer it again (ever), at 
> least for
> >a few years.
> >
> >5.)  YES, there are many more hotels in Brandon.  Don Rose posted 
> the C of
> >C site on pianotech, for your assistance.
> >
> >6.)  YES, it is easy to get to Brandon, just as easy as me going to 
> KC,
> >Arlington, Providence, etc.
> >
> >7.)  If you didn't download the PDF last week, just e-mail the 
> office at:
> >
> >      music@brandonu.ca
> >
> >Thanks for your interest, this could be our best P.D. this year!
> >
> >Mark Cramer, RPT
> >Cheif Technician
> >Brandon University School of Music
> >
> >presently at: the Banff Centre for the Arts
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:11:50 -0500
> >From: "Michael K Malone" <cowboy@mpinet.net>
> >Subject: Re: something to make with an old upright:
> >
> >Jim I'd be interested in the pics !!
> >
> >Michael Malone
> >Orlando, FL Non Registered Piano Tinkler  NRPT
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:26:02 -0800
> >From: pianolover@worldspy.net
> >Subject: Re: tuning video?
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for "tuning 
> videos"....it's
> been a great help!
> >
> >Here's a new question: In order to save time during a pitch raise, 
> is it
> possible to do so WITHOUT using mutes? Can the ear be trained to 
> tune 2
> strings of a trichord unison beatless, while the third string is 
> vibrating
> as much as a 1/2 step lower?  Do any techs on this list use this 
> method when
> pulling up a piano, at least during the first pass? Just womnering. 
> Thanks
> >
> >Terry Peterson
> >Los Angeles, CA
> >
> >
> >______________________________________________________________
> >Get free Internet service and email at http://www.worldspy.com
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:19:17 -0600
> >From: "Richard Moody" <remoody@midstatesd.net>
> >Subject: Re: A temp for Chipin?
> >
> >Chopin had a close realtion ship with Camille Pleyel who not only 
> owned a
> >piano factory but was also a music publisher.   It would be 
> interesting to
> >research the records of Playel to see if there is a mention of how 
> they
> >tuned the pianos in the factory.
> >
> > In the bibliography of the article "Temperament" in New Groves are 
> three
> >works of Marpug, published from 1756 to 1790.  They have German 
> titles and
> >no note is given to indicate they were translated into English.  
> This was
> >well before Chopin's time.  (1810-1849).  Listed also is a work on 
> tuning
> >by C Montal, published in Paris in 1834 .  Again no note as to
> >translations.  I have heard this is about ET, or there is a 
> description of
> >how to tune ET in there.  Ellis, in the appendex to his translation 
> of
> >Helmholtz, _On the Sensation of Tone_  mentioned a tuner for 
> Broadwood
> >(A.J. Hipkinsa) who favored ET and did concert tunings for Chopin. 
> (London
> >1848)
> > For something other than ET for Chopin, I would look for 
> publications
> >during or after his lifetime, in French, with reference to the 
> Pleyel
> >factory.  If not available, New Groves gives a very good background 
> of the
> >history of temperaments, and how they developed in various regions. 
>  Check
> >page 668.  Page 670 gives detail about Marpurg, beginning with "The 
> most
> >vigorous and articlulate late 18th century champion of equal 
> temperament
> >seems to have been F., W Marpurg."  Quoting Marpurg, "There is only 
> one
> >kind of equal temperament but countless possible types of unequal
> >temperament.  Thus the latter opens up to speculative musicians an
> >unstinting source of modifications, and since every musician will 
> readily
> >invent one, the result will be that from time to time we shall be
> >presented with a new type of unequal temperament and everyone will 
> declare
> >his own the best."  p. 670 "Temperaments" New Groves.
> > Marpurg apparently collected every modification known.
> >Also mentioned is a book on piano tuning by Jousse "espressing 
> preference
> >for a subtly unequal tempeament..." 1832
> >- ---ric
> >
> >- ----------
> >> From: Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net>
> >> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >> Subject: A question on temperament-Dale
> >> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:16 PM
> >>
> >> Ed and others interested,
> >>
> >>     Just as kind of an aside on this subject, a DMA piano 
> performance
> >> major talked to me today about doing a Marpurg I and an ET on two 
> of
> >> our D's for a Lecture Recital he has to do for his degree. He'll 
> be
> >> playing Chopin.
> >>     I showed him the offsets in the SAT manual and he doesn't 
> think
> >> that's the same one he's been using for the piece he's talking 
> about.
> >> So I may be inquiring more after we explore it some. He's supposed
> >> to bring me the information he has some time next week.
> >>     One of our theory professors took a class with Owen and has 
> told
> >> him that Owen said he was pretty convinced that Chopin used a
> >> Marpurg. Comments?
> >>
> >> Avery
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:29:49 PST
> >From: "Diane Hofstetter" <dianepianotuner@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: something to make with an old upright:
> >
> >I can only praise his work, as I am currently sitting at my own 
> piano
> >computer desk which I made out of an old french rosewood piano.  
> His are
> >nicer, mine comes close.  The alternatives (real computer desks that
> closed)
> >were in the $600 price range and my partners wanted to haul this 
> beautiful
> >rosewood case to the dump!
> >
> >His website is spectacular too.
> >Diane
> >
> >
> >>From: robert goodale <rrg@nevada.edu>
> >>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >>To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >>Subject: Re: something to make with an old upright:
> >>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:25:49 -0800
> >>
> >>Jon Page wrote:
> >>
> >> > This guy has ambition:
> >> >
> >> > http://scribers.midwest.net/pnotuner/desk.htm
> >> >
> >> > Jon Page,   piano technician
> >> > Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.
> >> > mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >>This is seriously cool!  I like it!  #2 & 4 are my particular
> >>favorites.  Geeze, now I want to make one!  Thanks for sharing!
> >>
> >>Rob Goodale, RPT
> >>Las Vegas, NV
> >>
> >
> >______________________________________________________
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> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:14:11 -0500
> >From: nhunt@jagat.com (Newton Hunt)
> >Subject: Re: tuning video?
> >
> >>  is it possible to do so WITHOUT using mutes?
> >
> >Yes it is, several people can do this.  Go slow and keep a lot of
> >string handy until you get the hang of it.  THere are all sorts of
> >ways to get tension on a piano.
> >
> > Newton
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:41:49 -0800 (PST)
> >From: James Grebe <jim5218@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Friday afternoon
> >
> >Dear Pianotech Friends.
> >     It has been 11 days since they invaded my chest
> >cavity and did a quad bypass on my heart.  Since that
> >time, I am overwhelmed by the notes, eamils, and
> >wishes of so many of my "brothers".  I have found that
> >this is indeed the best profession in the world and
> >transcends competition among people performing the
> >same service.
> >     It will be about 1 month or so till I can go out
> >again and join you all in our chosen profession and I
> >am champing at the bit.
> >     May you all have a very prosperous New Year and
> >Thank You for your caring.
> >James
> >
> >=====
> >James Grebe--Creator of Handsome Hardwood Caster Cups and Practical 
> Piano
> Benches
> >Registered Piano Tuner-Technician of the P.T.G & Master Piano 
> Technicians
> of America Rt 2 Box 275 Potosi, MO 63664 314 845-8282 or 573 
> 438/2006 leave
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> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:26:35 -0600
> >From: "Stan Kroeker" <stan@pianoexperts.mb.ca>
> >Subject: Fwd re:  Soundboard Seminar
> >
> >                      Subject:                              Time:  
> 10:46 AM
> >OFFICE MEMO           Bolduc soundboard seminar             Date:  
> 14/01/0
> >
> >To answer a few FAQ's we're receiving:
> >
> >1.)  YES, the seminar is just two days:  Feb. 17th and 18th 
> ($89.00cdn)
> >
> >2.)  YES, you may register with a credit card
> >
> >3.)  YES, we believe this soundboard installation workshop is the 
> first of
> >     it's kind.
> >
> >4.)  NO, Andre (Bolduc) has no plans to offer it again (ever), at 
> least for
> >     a few years.
> >
> >5.)  YES, there are many more hotels in Brandon.  Don Rose posted 
> the C of
> >     C site on pianotech, for your assistance.
> >
> >6.)  YES, it is easy to get to Brandon, just as easy as me going to 
> KC,
> >     Arlington, Providence, etc.
> >
> >7.)  If you didn't download the PDF last week, just e-mail the 
> office at:
> >
> >      music@brandonu.ca
> >
> >Thanks for your interest, this could be our best P.D. this year!
> >
> >Mark Cramer, RPT
> >Cheif Technician
> >Brandon University School of Music
> >
> >presently at: the Banff Centre for the Arts
> >
> >message forwarded by:
> >
> >Stan Kroeker
> >Registered Piano Technician
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:35:56 +0000
> >From: Barrie Heaton <Piano@forte.airtime.co.uk>
> >Subject: Hygrometer Questionnaire
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Below is a Questionnaire for a Talking Hygrometer to be made by the
> >RNIB England for VI Piano Tuners However, it will be available to 
> all
> >who wish to buy it.
> >
> >So if you would like to put your input in to the  Questionnaire we 
> may
> >end up with a good product I have said it should have a  last 10 
> history
> >memory  so when I get home I can put them in to the computer.
> >
> >What is my interest in this !  I want one the more feed back they 
> get the
> >sooner we get it on the market.
> >
> >You can send them back to: Sabine van den Heuvel  at the RNIB 
> details
> >at the bottom. Or send them to me.
> >
> >Thanks for your time
> >
> >
> >Barrie,
> >
> >
> >
> >Talking Hygrometer
> >Questionnaire
> >
> >
> >Confidential
> >
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> RNIB
> >Product Development which features you would like to find on a
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> impaired
> >people.
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> few
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> >would appreciate your ideas on a hygrometer.
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> >
> >15.     If you are a piano tuner, would you recommend to any of your
> >customers that they should buy a talking hygrometer as a means of
> >recording the humidity?
> >A)      Yes
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> >
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> >buying a talking hygrometer?
> >A)      Yes, please specify
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> talking
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> >
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> >- --
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:10:05 EST
> >From: Billbrpt@AOL.COM
> >Subject: Re: tuning video?
> >
> >In a message dated 1/14/00 5:58:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >pianolover@worldspy.net writes:
> >
> ><< Can anyone recommend any good videos (and where to find them) on 
> the art
> >of Piano tuning/servicing?  >>
> >
> >I'm only sorry I couldn't answer this sooner.  The best way to 
> learn is to
> >get your information from as many different sources as possible.  
> View all
> of
> >the tuning videos you can get your hands on, read all the books, go 
> to as
> >many seminars as you can possible get to and try to get to the 
> Annual
> >Convention.
> >
> >The first one I attended was in Minneapolis in 1979.  There, Jim 
> Coleman,
> Sr.
> >RPT taught a class along with the late George Defebaugh RPT.  Both 
> of these
> >individuals later earned PTG's highest honorable award, The Golden 
> Hammer.
> >The lecture they gave together on Tuning changed my life forever 
> and this
> was
> >in spite of the fact that much of it was over my head.  But I kept 
> coming
> >back until I understood it all.
> >
> >I have never seen the video that they made together but I think Jim 
> Coleman
> >is still selling them.  He is a regular contributor to this List. I 
> am sure
> >that this video will contain information that confirms what you 
> already
> know,
> >will teach you things right away that you didn't know, and may 
> challenge
> you
> >with things you cannot readily grasp.  If you have a tuning 
> question, his
> >answer and opinion always contain important information you can 
> count on.
> >
> >There are several other very highly skilled and qualified tuners who
> >regularly participate on the List.  Beyond that, there are many 
> other
> >technicians who have amazingly erudite expertise in just about any 
> area you
> >might think of.  Just stick with Pianotech and you will learn a 
> lot.  I
> have
> >only been with it for a couple of years but I have learned a great 
> deal
> >myself, believe me, I have.
> >
> >On the other question you had, as you have already been told, yes, 
> it is
> >possible to do a muteless pitch raise.  There is a member of my 
> Chapter,
> Mr.
> >Daniel P. Eberhardy RPT who does it all the time when doing a large 
> pitch
> >raise.  Frankly, I don't want to hear such dissonance and have 
> never even
> >attempted it.  But it is a sound idea and if you can actually learn 
> to hear
> >the pitch you need and want to hear through all of the conflicting 
> sounds,
> it
> >will be much to you credit to do so.  You will truly amaze people.
> >
> >Good luck with it all,
> >
> >Bill Bremmer RPT
> >Madison, Wisconsin
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:56:24 -0600
> >From: Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net>
> >Subject: Re: A question on temperament-Dale
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >    Thanks for the post. I'll definitely be exploring all this.
> >
> >Avery
> >
> >At 09:58 AM 01/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >>In a message dated 1/14/00 5:49:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> avery@ev1.net
> >>(Avery Todd) writes:
> >>
> >><< One of our theory professors took a class with Owen and has told
> >>  him that Owen said he was pretty convinced that Chopin used a
> >>  Marpurg. Comments?
> >>   >>
> >>
> >>You can always call Owen and ask him any question you have.  He is 
> retired
> >>but remains active.  You will often find him available and quite 
> happy to
> >>answer your questions.  You can find his number in the directory.
> >>
> >>Marpurg created many temperaments but there is only one which most 
> people
> >>think of as "Marpurg".  It is often the only other temperament 
> that an ET
> >>tuner will dare to try.  If you ask me, I think it was doubtful 
> that
> Chopin
> >>used it and furthermore, I don't see the advantage it would make.
> However,
> >>you personally may like it and if the artist you tune for wants 
> it, then
> you
> >>need to know what it should sound like.  It is what is known as a 
> Quasi
> Equal
> >>Temperament (QET), "quasi" means almost.
> >>
> >>You can create your own program for this.  I personally never use 
> FAC
> >>"Correction" figures, I prefer to understand and create my own 
> temperament
> >>aurally, but using the SAT for the initial pitch and sometimes to 
> prove
> pure
> >>4ths & 5ths and in the Direct Interval mode to create a 3rd of a 
> specific
> >>size.  When I am satisfied with the arrangement, I program it into 
> the SAT
> >>and have it for all time afterwards.  It works very well for me.
> >>
> >>The Marpurg is very easy to describe and to remember how to 
> construct.
> Tune
> >>A4 and A3 as usual.  Then tune F3-A3-C#4-F4-A4 contiguous 3rds 
> exactly the
> >>same as you would for a regular ET.  You could use the FAC program 
> to set
> >>this up.  Just be sure to aurally verify that it is correct.  Then 
> from
> each
> >>of the notes you have tuned so far, tune whichever 4th or 5th from 
> that
> note
> >>which is available perfectly pure.
> >>
> >>If you have used the FAC program to tune the initial contiguous 
> 3rds, go
> to
> >>the note C4 and press Tune.  It will read on C6.  Change that to 
> C5 and
> press
> >>program.  Then stop the lights on that setting and press Shift and 
> Store
> to
> >>make the SAT start to read the 4th octave on Octave 5 rather than 
> 6.  Read
> >>all of your notes from C4 to B4 in octave 5, even though you 
> haven't tuned
> >>them yet.  You could even program in the same number or 0.0 for 
> each one,
> the
> >>idea is to have the SAT reading the 4th octave in octave 5 rather 
> than 6.
> >>
> >>Now, you can use the SAT to help you tune those pure 4ths and 
> 5ths.  From
> A3,
> >>you want to tune E4 a pure 5th.  Set the SAT on E4 (which will be 
> reading
> on
> >>E5, the coincident partial for these two notes).  Play the note A3 
> and
> stop
> >>the lights.  Now tune E4 to whatever that is and press SHIFT and 
> STO.  To
> >>tune the 4th, A3-D4, set the SAT to A3 and play the note D4 and 
> tune it so
> >>that the lights stop.  Then move the SAT up to D4, play the note, 
> stop the
> >>lights and press SHIFT and STO to store that value.
> >>
> >>Do the same with the 4th and 5ths from C#4, F#3 and G#3, and the 
> 4th and
> 5th
> >>from F3 and F4 which would be Bb3 and C4.  Now you have only 3 
> notes left
> to
> >>tune.  G3, B3 and D#4.  You have to now do what is called Equal 
> Beating.
> The
> >>classic way to do this is to temporarily tune G3 pure to C4.  Then 
> play
> the
> >>5th G3-D4 and notice the strong beat.  Flatten G3 until the G3-C4 
> 4th
> beats
> >>exactly the same as the G3-D4 5th.  These intervals will end up 
> beating
> >>(tempered) about twice as fast as they would in ET.
> >>
> >>With practice, you won't need to do the "temporarily tune" part, 
> you will
> be
> >>able to just park the note in the place where it is an exact 
> compromise as
> a
> >>4th and 5th.  When you have the note where you want it, press 
> SHIFT and
> STO.
> >>Do the same for the remaining two notes, B3 (form F#3 and E4) and 
> D#4
> (from
> >>G#3 and A#3).  The results should give you 3rds and 6ths which 
> sound
> >>identical to ET.  But when you play the 4ths and 5ths, they will 
> all be
> pure
> >>except for the 3 "wobbly" ones.  That is essentially the 
> compromise you
> are
> >>making.
> >>
> >>In my view, this is a much better alternative than the ET with 
> pure 5ths.
> It
> >>produces a very "clean" sounding piano tuning with just a touch of
> "color".
> >>As you tune out your octaves, if you try to make your double 
> octaves agree
> >>with your octave and 5th, you will maintain that very "clean" 
> sound.  When
> >>you are tuning the octave that is associated with the tempered 
> 5th, you
> can
> >>stretch it a bit more so that the double octave has the same 
> slight beat
> as
> >>the octave and 5th (another form of Equal Beating).
> >>
> >>This will tend to "clean up" the 3 tempered intervals so that 
> really, the
> >>only "impure" sound that you will hear is in the temperament octave
> itself.
> >>Outside of it, virtually all the Slowly Beating Intervals (SBI) 
> will
> either
> >>be pure or have a barely perceptible beat.  All of your Rapidly 
> Beating
> >>Intervals (RBI) will have the same smoothness expected of ET and 
> none of
> the
> >>harshness that occurs in any of the HT's or the kind of harshness 
> produced
> by
> >>the overly stretched octave required for the ET with pure 5ths.
> >>
> >>In my view however, Chopin is better served by a Victorian or 
> other 19th
> >>Century Temperament.  The extra vibrancy of the wider 3rds, 10ths 
> and
> 17ths
> >>makes the music written in Ab and Db sound more alive.  Some 
> people are
> >>sensitive to this however and if this is the case, the Marpurg 
> will be the
> >>temperament to use.  It will be just as useful for virtually any 
> kind of
> >>music as regular ET is.
> >>
> >>Good luck.
> >>
> >>Bill Bremmer RPT
> >>Madison, Wisconsin
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:04:58 +0000
> >From: Kristinn Leifsson <istuner@islandia.is>
> >Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the fish
> >
> >At 15:58 14.1.2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >>Kristinn Leifsson wrote:
> >>
> >>> 42
> >>>
> >>> Kristinn
> >>
> >>Ah yes, but you never specified exactly what the question was!
> >>
> >>Rob Goodale, RPT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It´s the answer of answers so I don´t think the question itself is
> necessary.
> >
> >Kristinn
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:07:49 EST
> >From: Tuner1956@AOL.COM
> >Subject: RPT Test
> >
> >Hello,
> >I'm interested in taking the first step to becoming a RPT.
> >Questions?
> >Does it matter what test you take first?  Is there a certain amount 
> of time
> >you have in-between each test (days,weeks,or months) once you pass 
> the test
> >will you always retain that status?
> >
> >Tim Schloz
> >Associate Member
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:18:48 -0800
> >From: "David ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
> >Subject: steinway
> >
> >List,
> >
> >I am rebuilding a Steinway M and wanted some advice.  I don't
> >do a lot of this, maybe one a year.
> >
> >#1...Damper felt:  Where would you recommend I get it?  I
> >typically use Laureaux & buy the Steinway style, precut stuff
> >from Schaff.
> >#2...Tuning Pins:  I am considering the Diamond pins from
> >Pianotek.  Blued is correct?  I don't think I want the nickel
> >plated?
> >#3...Hammers:  Should I go for Steinways?  It Steinway or
> >Isaac.
> >
> >David I.
> >David Ilvedson, RPT
> >Pacifica, CA
> >ilvey@jps.net
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:32:57 EST
> >From: JIMRPT@AOL.COM
> >Subject: Re:  steinway
> >
> >In a message dated 1/14/2000 9:36:39 PM, David I. wrote:
> >
> ><<#3...Hammers:  Should I go for Steinways?  It Steinway or
> >Isaac.>>
> >
> >David as for your first two questions it is a tossup. I have had 
> very good
> >and very bad luck with Laureaux damper felt and Diamond tuning 
> pins. If you
> >like the look of the nickle go for it :-)
> >
> >  As for the hammers, what venue is it going to be used in? Home?
> Restaurant?
> >Recital hall, Performance? Practice?  Except for a died in the wool 
> purist,
> >S&S hammers don't enter into my world. I am not familiar with 
> current Issac
> >hammers having used my last set over six years ago. My hammer of 
> choice
> would
> >be either Renner Blue or Encore (Abel ala Brooks LTD).
> >Jim Bryant (FL)
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of pianotech-digest V2000 #46
> >*********************************
> >
> >
> 


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