Baldwin 6000 full size upright

Delwin D Fandrich pianobuilders@olynet.com
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:21:03 -0800


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Brian,

No.  That was a design by Harold Conklin.  And it does have some unique =
design features.

It does have a fairly long stinging scale for an upright and it uses a =
somewhat odd hammer strike point ratio (SPR).  The more-or-less standard =
practice with "modern" pianos is to start at C-88 with a SPR of about =
1/12 to 1/16 of the speaking length and taper down to about 1/8 =
somewhere near the center of the scale.  It then stays pretty much the =
same down through the bass.  The SPR in this piano extends down to 1/5 =
of the speaking length at A-1.  And this does, indeed, give the piano =
quite an unusual sound.  It is also very much one of those "love-it" or =
"hate-it" sort of things.  Those who like it, seem to really like it.  =
Those who don't want nothing to do with the piano.

The brass weight is an impedance adjustment device.  It mass-loads the =
bottom of the tenor bridge to help slow down the rapid loss of energy to =
the soundboard that is typical at that point.  The tenor bridge is much =
more flexible at its extreme end than it is an octave or two up -- it is =
a "bridge., after all.  That means that the mechanical impedance load =
felt by the strings is quite a bit lower at the end than it is further =
up the scale.  There is typically a significant loss of sustain at the =
very end of the bridge compared to that a bit further up the scale.  =
Some of the old piano designers attempted to deal with this by dumping =
tension through the expedient of curving the bridge in the common hockey =
stick shape.  A poor solution, at best.  The weight is a somewhat better =
notion in that it allows the string tensions to be kept reasonably =
constant all the way to the bottom of the tenor bridge, thus keeping the =
tone quality somewhat more uniform across the break.  Baldwin calls it a =
"Tone-Extender."  Mr Conklin was actually able to get a patent on the =
device, though I surely don't know how.  Similar ideas have been used on =
pianos dating back at least to the late 1800's.  That's called prior art =
and it should have precluded the issuance of the patent, but it didn't.  =
It would be a pretty tough one to defend, however.

-- ddf


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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Brian Trout=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 6:08 PM
  Subject: Baldwin 6000 full size upright


  Hi list,

  I tuned a full size Baldwin upright (about 1 1/2 years old) on my last =
stop today.  It was an interesting piano.  The tuning pins were a little =
tighter than I would have liked to have had to deal with, but it tuned =
quite nicely.  No problems at the breaks.  No major false string =
problems, not even in the high treble.  The main thing that I noticed =
was that it had a BIG sound.  (It's also a very heavy piano.  There are =
a lot of small grands that don't weigh as much... but that's another =
story.) =20

  Does anyone have any input on that big brass weight through the =
soundboard down at the bass bridge?  The bass has a big, rather throaty =
sound, almost resembling an electronic sound.  I've heard a few =
rumblings from time to time about the concept of loading the soundboard =
in the area of the bass bridge, perhaps to change impedance?.  But I was =
hoping that perhaps someone might have a more reasoned idea of the =
science behind this thing.  (Were you involved in designing this thing, =
Del?  If so, I'd be interested in any comments you'd like to share.)

  I know I often am critical of some of the best pianos, but I kind of =
like this one.  I know there will likely be a number of people who would =
not like it, and that's ok.

  If anyone has a comment, feel free.

  Best wishes to all,

  Brian Trout
  Quarryville, PA
  btrout@desupernet.net


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