RCT vs SAT (warning, long)

David Porritt dporritt@swbell.net
Sun, 31 May 1998 15:17:31 -0500


Jim:

Have you tried TuneLab97 yet?  I'd be curious about your experience.

dave

Jim Coleman, Sr. wrote:

> Hi Kent:
>
> I have deliberately avoided getting into a public battle of RCT vs SAT.
> When you say that the computer gives RCT a definite performance advantage,
> I have to disagree with your opinion. The RCT which I have is a 2300c.
> Although I have been more fortunate than others, I have not had to send
> mine back to Apple for service. However, the number of times it has let
> me down on the job in 1 1/2 years is many more times than the SAT or the
> SOT has let me down in some 15 years. I do not call that performance
> advantage. Fortunately I can still tune aurally. Just yesterday after
> taking the trouble to sample 5 A's on the piano, the moment I clicked on
> the Chameleon to calculate the tuning from those samples, the machine died
> on me. I finally ended up selecting a similar piano in memory to tune by.
> I would prefer to have used a custom tuning for that particular piano. I
> have never lost a calculated tuning with the SAT.
>
> It only takes 1 minute to calculate a custom tuning with the SAT. With RCT
> it takes 1 minute 46 seconds to calculate a standard OTS tuning with
> default selections already made and the computer already on and warmed
> up. I started with the selection of the Chameleon and ended with the
> appearance of the spreadsheet of the complete tuning. Would you call that
> performance advantage? If you added the extra time for a cold boot up,
> starting the program, etc., it could easily go over 4 minutes. Performance?
> If you add in the number of times you have to remeasure because of noise
> factors, null points etc. it could be much worse.
>
> It takes me longer to tune with accuracy with the RCT than it does with the
> SAT. The SAT has only one display mode and it relates to beats. Two beats
> per each rotation of the LEDs. I waste more time with the RCT in trying to
> decide when the Spinner pattern is stopped and whether it is sharp or flat.
> Part of this can be blamed upon the transient nature of piano tones. This
> is obvious when you can't get the full blush to stay on for more than a
> brief moment without a lot of fussing around. At the number 2 Spinner speed,
> in the Cents measuring mode the full blush indicates .1 cent accuracy. The
> Spinner is too jumpy to suit me at that default speed. I prefer the Hertz
> mode or measurement because it relates more to what we hear and the
> spinner is less jumpy. At the default speed of 2 in Hz mode, the full blush
> is indicative of .4 cent accuracy. At least at this speed, you can tune
> faster with confidence because it is a little easier to make your judgments
> as to sharp and flat. But it is still easier for me to make those judgments
> with the SAT, especially when utilizing the 4 LED stopping method combined
> with making the pitch judgments consistently in regard to the time portion
> of the decision. A technique of hitting the key hard and immediately playing
> softly enables better accuracy on both machines because the curve of the
> frequency change is smoother with a soft key blow. When one can tune with
> the SAT to hold 4 LEDs on for just two or three seconds, the accuracy I
> perceive is better than trying to hold a full blush on the RCT with a
> similar spinner speed. Sure, it's possible to hold a longer full blush with
> a much slower spinner speed, but then where is the accuracy that is boasted?
>
> Being a compulsive educator, I made a number of suggestions for better use
> of the RCT. The latest is to select the 140 degree spinner shape so that
> you will more easily see the half blush and the full blush. Even though
> they will light up only momentarily, you will still be tuning in a tight
> consistent tolerance. The same goes for the SAT. If you tune so that you
> get a 4 LED pattern, you can see which way it is leaning on the fence
> between two major LED positions, and when you stop the the LEDs from fading
> from one position to the next, you have extreme accuracy. This is spelled
> out in an article for publication soon.
>
> The RCT has some neat features also. It has automatic note switching.
> The SAT III also has it. The RCT has the ability to change an equal tempered
> tuning into an historical tuning. The SAT III also has that (up to 14
> different kinds). The RCT has temperament sequencing so that you can tune
> in the order of your favorite Temperament. The SAT has a collection of up
> to 4 different temperament orders which can be utilized. Both machines
> have an infinite number of ways to stretch a tuning scale according to one's
> preference. The SAT III is smaller, easier to handle. The SAT battery is
> a very definite advantage, I do not even have to carry a bulky charger. When
> after a week or two when I get the first indication that the battery is
> getting low, I can still tune another piano or two. The SAT III has a
> battery power indicator which shows ahead of time when you're getting lower.
> The RCT also does, but you don't have much time left until you must go get
> the charger (don't leave home without it)
>
> There are definite advantages to having a computer with you on the job.
> There
> are small organizers which are cheap and take care of most of those things
> for which you may need a computer on the job. The thing that still
> bothers me is that I have tied up over $4000 in my RCT and I still don't
> have everything I would like to have on it for other purposes. The Operating
> system has been upgraded 4 times since I bought mine. I'm still 2 systems
> behind the latest version 8.1. I could use a modem, I could use a CD drive
> (I have to borrow one now to load any of the newer software. Where does it
> end? I just want to tune pianos, basically. I don't really need a computer
> to tune pianos. Besides, I have a good IBM type at home.
> I did buy a DOS emulator program so that I can run my business software on
> the MAC. It doesn't run windows '95. Where does one stop with all this
> stuff. I just want to tune pianos easier and better. I know, I said that
> before.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Jim Coleman, Sr. (with flame suit handy)
>
> On Sat, 30 May 1998, Kent Swafford wrote:
>
> > Frank Cahill wrote:
> >
> > >Hi, kent. My only problem with the RCT is the battery life. Is this the
> > >unit bases on a MAC type pc?  If so, I does not last long on batteries.
> > >My Accutuner goes for a few weeks on a single charge.
> > >
> > >I'm curious, what do you like about the other tuner?  I fine tuner here
> > >uses one and she loves it! I've never used one but hear good things
> > >about it.
> > >
> > >I'd appreciate the info.
> > >Thanks
> > >--
> > >
> > >Frank Cahill
> > >Associate Member
> > >Northern Va
> >
> > Battery life when using RCT does not compare to the battery life of the
> > SAT. However, the raw power of a modern computer (BTW, SAT's still run at
> > only 2 MHz) allow RCT a significant performance advantage over the SAT.
> > IMHO, RCT's superior performance easily makes up for any power management
> > considerations.
> >
> > Kent Swafford
> >



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David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, Texas
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