It has been interesting reading this latest explosion of interest in historical temperaments. Here are few observations and a question. Comments have been made about the method of tuning an HT as it relates to the tonal center. Bill Bremmer may be right when he says: > All of the HT's that have been a part of this recent discussion are created >with C as the tonal center. And it may be that the historical methods of arriving at the historical temperaments started with C. But as Bill also points out, these two facts need not be related. The method can be independent of the outcome. (As an analogy, if you have a Master combination lock with combination numbers A, B, and C, you can open the lock by starting to the left instead of the right using combination numbers A-9, B+4, C.) So if A-440 is an absolute requirement, then alternate aural methods can be found starting with A. But I wonder if A-440 is that relevant to HTs. Suppose you have an HT that is defined in terms of cents offset from equal temperament. Further suppose that for this particular HT, the offset for A from equal temperament is fairly large. Then what good does it do to force A to be 440 if in so doing the rest of the temperament is forced to be quite far from their equal temperament counterparts? Here is a more uniform criterion. Tune an HT so that the average offset from an A-440 equal- tempered scale is zero. Doesn't this make more sense than insisting on strict adhearance to A-440 in this case? It comes closer to the goal of keeping the same average tension on the strings, and is thus kinder to the instrument. And it also comes closer to the goal of minimizing differences between the piano and fixed-tuned instruments. It has also been pointed out on this list that some of the HTs are not well-defined in terms of today's measuring methods. The temperaments are defined by the methods used to achieve them rather than by their outcome. This makes it more difficult to duplicate them today. This is especially true with regard to the differences between modern piano inharmonicity and historical piano inharmonicity. Perhaps those of you in the historical rebuilding business can comment more accurately, but didn't those old pianos use thinner wire and lower tensions than modern scales? And so we would expect much lower inharmonicities from historical instruments. The inharmonicities affect beat rates. We cannot expect HT tuning methods that rely on specific beat rates to give the same results when applied to a modern piano. So following the old instructions to the letter may not produce the best adaptation of an HT to a modern instrument. Here is a proposal that would work for users of VTDs. Find an authentic historical instrument appropriate the the HT in question. Tune it aurally according to the historical instructions. Then measure the fundamental for each note in a temperament octave, which will give offsets in cents from equal temperament for the temperament octave. Now to tune a modern instrument in the HT, use that set of 12 offsets to modify a good equal tempered tuning curve that has been customized to a modern piano. This bring me to my question. I would like to collect a library of historical temperaments for users of my TuneLab program. Some users have already sent me a few historical temperament files, and I thank them. But is there one source I can go to that lists all (or most) historical temperaments in terms of offsets from equal temperament? I have not looked at Jorgensen's book yet, but I will buy it if someone can tell that it contains such a list. Bob Scott Ann Arbor, Michigan Detroit-Windsor Chapter, PTG
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