I know this Chopin piece. All in 6ths. I defy anyone to give an harmonic (or inharmonic) analysis. Les Smith wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, robert sadowski wrote: > > > Les, > > Just a thought - I've always felt that Debussy was the first "jazz > > cat". I guess I'll have to listen to more Chopin. > > > > Hi, Bob. No 'bout a doubt it (!), Claude was an "original". It's just that > he wasn't the original original. Chopin was. An important distinction to > be made between Chopin and jazz however is this. The piano technique and > harmonic innovations Chopin introduced never intruded on the important > thing--the music itself and what it was saying. Or, to put it another way, > the technique and the harmonic devices Chopin used were the servants of > the music he wrote, they were never the music itself. In much of the pro- > gressive jazz I hear today, I often get the feeling that the harmonic > devices and the technique have become the music. Much of what I hear re- > minds me of elaborate variations on the same up-tempo Czery etude. I > never got that feeling when listening to the music of Brubeck, or Des- > mond, or their likes, but of course, they went "mainstream" long ago. > Further, as someone once pointed out, "Once you write down the notes, > it's no longer jazz". (Of course Erroll Garner might have said that > because he COULDN'T write down the notes!). :) Just how progressive > was Chopin? Consider the following sketch. > ============================================================================ > Chopin's back in the same smoke-filled club I mentioned in an earlier > post. He's dressed in all black, including a beret pulled down low > over his brow and he's smoking a hand-rolled cigarette of indeterminate > origin. Once again he's seated at his high-end, state-of-the-art, > Steinway D-sampled, digital piano and basking on the glow of a 15-watt, > orange spotlight. Suddenly, you hear the drums and a soft high-hat > lay down an insane beat and Chopin begins to play. It's the last move- > ment from his sonata in Bb minor--except for Liszt, a piece his > contemporaries just couldn't understand. And no small wonder, because > in it Chopin was anticipating what "progressive" jazz would be doing > more that a century and a half later! Chopin once described the piece > as "Night winds whispering over a graveyard". Today, a fan in the audi- > ence would describe it as "totally radical" and "outta sight"! > > Listen. See for yourself. > > Les Smith > > PS For those of you out there wondering: yes, Chopin still has an > acoustic piano, too. It's a concert grand and he keeps it at his > condo on the beach.
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