At 17:44 07.09.95, Mark Dierauf wrote: |: To all those who believe that Steinway stringing scales should be inviolate, |: here are measurements from an original Steinway model "O" #200532, the set of |: "duplicate" strings that I recieved for this piano when I ordered a stock set |: of "O" strings from Mapes, and the optimized strings that I designed using |: Rescale software. Measurements are for core and overall diameter (OD). After |: calculating the actual copper sizes used by Mapes, it would appear that they |: change wire sizes as infrequently as possible, which certainly facilitates |: their manufacture. Not that I mean to pick on Mapes, I would assume most |: other suppliers do this as well. My point is that these strings *were* |: redesigned. Several points: a) Did you measure the strings on any other model Os produced in the same week and find the scales identical? b) Have you compared this "original" scale with other Os from different periods and different factories? c) Have you actually asked Mapes to make you a single-covered string of .219" on a #24 core? -- you must like listening to bad language or something! d) Why, when every respectable piano maker in the world has always made a jump both in core gauge and in tension between singles and bichords, do you choose to carry an unbroken progression of core gauges through the break? Very few stringmakers use half sizes and some do not even keep them in stock. This has always applied. I personally do use half sizes and save only seconds by not doing so but traditionally the bass string maker does not bother with half sizes. I justify stocking half sizes by keeping 1/2 kg coils rather than 5 kg. coils and selling coils to the trade - this way the extra bother is balanced by the profit made on sales of plain wire. Mapes will almost certainly be working to a scale supplied to them by Steinway, which will specify the cores and the covers and no more. Variations will occur for the following reasons: a) Some stringmakers wind more tightly than others, hence thinner strings b) A new pair of gloves will result in thinner strings c) Copper is not drawn to very exact tolerances, so there can be variations of several thou from bobbin to bobbin. No stringmaker is going to measure the copper before winding it and make adjustments to the scale to achieve some ideal o/d when this is not going to make a scrap of difference to the tone. I have one customer who always sends me exact specifications for every set and insists on vetting the calcs before we proceed. Occasionally I send him a set without having shown him the calcs beforehand. If I make an error in the calcs (which I then detect and correct as I am making the strings) he will always comment that such and such a note sounds queer because he has seen a glitch in the printout. He has *no idea* how often I deliberately stray from the specs to see if he notices, because he only notices when the printout tells him the note sounds wrong. JD Note# Original Mapes Rescale Core OD Core OD Core OD 1 .059 .213 .064 .225 .055 .219 2 .055 .209 .059 .216 .055 .214 3 .055 .202 .055 .202 .055 .207 4 .051 .198 .055 .203 .051 .194 5 .049 .190 .051 .192 .051 .185 6 .049 .181 .049 .190 .051 .179 7 .047 .179 .049 .179 .051 .173 8 .047 .173 .049 .172 .049 .165 9 .047 .163 .047 .171 .048 .156 10 .047 .155 .045 .169 .047 .151 11 .042 .135 .042 .135 .047 .127 12 .042 .129 .042 .130 .046 .126 13 .042 .123 .042 .123 .045 .119 14 .042 .119 .042 .118 .044 .112 15 .042 .113 .040 .117 .043 .111 16 .040 .104 .040 .111 .043 .105 17 .040 .097 .040 .102 .042 .098 18 .040 .098 .040 .098 .042 .098 19 .040 .094 .040 .098 .041 .091 20 .040 .094 .040 .094 .041 .091 21 .040 .092 .040 .094 .039 .085 22 .040 .088 .040 .090 .039 .085 23 .038 .081 .038 .086 .038 .079 24 .038 .077 .038 .080 .038 .079 25 .038 .077 .038 .076 .037 .073 26 .038 .073 .038 .072 .037 .070
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