[CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets

[Chris Solliday]

yes the turnbuckle is especially designed for pianos with the bell thingee.
I put one on an M and it even improved it (no bell thingee).
Chris Solliday RPT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Murphy" <rmurphy at siue.edu>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets


> Hi All,
>     The Steinway D has one of those "Bell" things in there.  Is there room
> to install the turnbuckle unit?
> Richard
>
>
> On 2/26/10 2:27 PM, "Jeannie Grassi" <jcgrassi at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Chris.
> > This is helpful in visualizing.  I assumed Pianotek supplied good
> > instructions, but I wanted to get a sense of what was involved.  Doesn't
> > sound too complicated.
> >
> > I assume this is to improve the treble area.  Would riblets help in the
> > bass?  I have a Yamaha C6 that is weak in the bass and I can't seem to
find
> > any way to improve it significantly.
> >
> > Any recommendations that don't involve replacing the soundboard?
> > jeannie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Chris
> > Solliday
> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:15 PM
> > To: caut at ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets
> >
> > Hi Jeannie,
> > It is a turnbuckle that connects the rim to the belly rail. Fasten with
6 or
> > 7 wood bolts, that are provided. I dry fit it by holding the thing in
place
> > and screwing the buckle out a bit so it will stay in place, mark the
holes
> > with a punch and remove the resonator then drill all my holes, use screw
> > lube, I use beeswax. Tighten wood bolts with a socket wrench.  A little
> > turning of the buckle and you're in.Tighten to just get it snug and then
a
> > little  more and listen, go in 1/16th turns and listen, it usually
doesn't
> > take much, and there is a point where going beyond diesn't do any mor
> > improving. And there is the point that is way beyond. Do not over
tighten as
> > our friend from Ithaca can testify, you can tear out the belly rail if
you
> > try hard enough. Takes about 1/2 hour. Support is more evenly
distributed
> > along the belly rail. Projection, power and clarity are improved.
> > They come with very detailed installation instructions.
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeannie Grassi" <jcgrassi at earthlink.net>
> > To: <caut at ptg.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets
> >
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> Can you please go into a bit more detail about installation of these.
> >> Thanks,
> >> jeannie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
> > Chris
> >> Solliday
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> >> To: caut at ptg.org
> >> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets
> >>
> >> The device is the Grijalva Treble Tone Resonator (Pianotek part #
RH-4TRL)
> >> and it would improve your problem, it might even do so amazingly, I
just
> >> wouldn't want to promise that much always, as results vary.
> >> I have put over ten of these on and have always been satisfied,
sometimes
> > as
> >> I said the results are truly superior. Soundboard Geritol.
> >> Chris Solliday, RPT
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ron Nossaman" <rnossaman at cox.net>
> >> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>; <caut at ptg.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:50 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Riblets
> >>
> >>
> >>> Andrew Anderson wrote:
> >>>> The school whose Steinways I service would like to ameliorate the
poor
> >>>> balance between bass and treble in their D.  This D was a really weak
> >>>> treble.  Voicing the hammers up makes for a harsh attack but doesn't
> >>>> seem to address power.
> >>>>
> >>>> Could someone who has utilized riblets on a S&S D comment on their
> >>>> experience.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't dried riblets on a D, but I know of a couple of
> >>> instances where it was tried, and heard one of them first
> >>> hand. The consensus was that it was somewhat less bad, but not
> >>> really better. Still, it's worth a try for the price of making
> >>> a couple. I think the belly rail, unsupported through the top
> >>> half of the scale by other than the "little stick", offers
> >>> more potential, however. Pianotek sells a turnbuckle adjusted
> >>> brace that will likely help more than riblets.
> >>>
> >>> Or if you'd like a more extensive modification...
> >>> Ron N
> >>
> >
>
>