[CAUT] damper touch weight - tri-cord friction

David Skolnik davidskolnik at optonline.net
Mon Dec 20 08:00:07 MST 2010


Quote, then comment:

>Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:09:31 -0700
>From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu>
>Subject: [CAUT] damper touch weight

>First, there is quite a bit of force needed to push trichord dampers 
>out of the strings - as much a 5 gm. Even when trimmed nicely and 
>precisely to the bottom of the strings there is a significant 
>amount, though the difference between well-trimmed and not trimmed 
>is noticeable,

Fred's observation is interesting, though inconclusive.  He does have 
the means, if not the time, to pursue this more thoroughly. I hope he 
does. Otherwise, I'll have to copy his jig (or rent one) and do it 
myself.  Horrors! The variables to isolate are numerous:
- qualities of particular felt (fiber length, density)
- grain orientation
- shape
- configuration (tri-tri or tri-flat)
- weight of head/lever (including any springs)
- distribution of friction source (pinching middle string vs outward 
displacement of outer strings)
- side bearing  (as he said)
- and likely more

While this additional moment of resistance may be measurable, given 
where in the keystroke this particular aspect of damper lift engages, 
I find it hare to believe that, within the parameters of enlightened 
design and execution, it can be as significant to the friction 
profile as the pinning, knuckle
issues, or damper assembly mass/spring irregularities that have been 
discussed.  It's still interesting and thoroughly gauge-worthy.


At 04:35 PM 12/19/2010, you wrote:
>
>... since more force is needed to push trichord dampers out of the 
>strings even after trimmed would it be possible to rub some Teflon 
>powder on the felt or another lubricant  to help reduce the force?
>
>Regards,
>Jack Houweling

I'm guessing that's a NO.  It might work if there were an extended 
period of sliding friction between the damper felt and string, but if 
that were the case, the design or execution would be incorrect 
(unless that was the effect being sought).  I'm assuming that there 
is no oxidation on the string at that point.  I'd also be concerned 
that the introduction of such treatment could have a deleterious 
effect, either by the process of application, or residual effects of 
substance compacting.

Seasons -
David Skolnik
Hastings on Hudson, NY
>

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