I'm think about RCT, maybe, since it gets in your way, you'd be interested in selling? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Albert Picknell" <agghubii at yahoo.ca> To: caut at ptg.org Received: 4/13/2010 10:28:06 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] using an ETD >It's been interesting to read all the posts touting the benefits of tuning >with an ETD, especially the time-saving and stress-reduction. But my experience >has been quite different. I have an RCT, but it has never saved me any time >whatsoever (well, maybe once - perhaps I should have gotten a different ETD?). >In fact, pitch raises take 'way longer with the RCT, and are no more accurate than >those done aurally. Also, after tuning with the RCT I usually feel more >drained/stressed than I do after tuning aurally. Perhaps I'm just one of those >guys for whom the ETD just "gets in the way" (though I would never put myself in >the same class as the super-tuners named in Jim Busby's post below). >Nonetheless, I do use the RCT occasionally, but never for concert work, and >never for pitch raises or for tuning the bass. > >The one benefit I do enjoy when tuning with the ETD is the reduced wear and tear >on the ears: I can tune almost the whole piano with earplugs in (I pull them out a bit >at a time as I make my way up into the upper treble so I can hear the unisons >clearly). When tuning aurally I don't wear the earplugs as much. >By the way... >A pro-ETD comment with which I wholeheartedly agree (from Jeff Tanner): >"Aurally tuning 30 Hamiltons in practice rooms is drudgery. But knowing that you can >... be through in less time and move on without the struggle and fight of that aural >temperament just makes your day easier." >I am fortunate in that I don't find myself in this situation often. >A generalization to which I am an exception (from David Ilvedson): >"I tune unisons as I go and this is a challenge for aural tuners...why?   Because >they are not confident in tuning from unisons." >I tune aurally from unisons all the time. No problem. >Cheers, >Bert >--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Jim Busby <jim_busby at byu.edu> wrote: >From: Jim Busby <jim_busby at byu.edu> >Subject: Re: [CAUT] using as ETD >To: "caut at ptg.org" <caut at ptg.org> >Received: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:52 PM >Wim, > >I’ll be the one to disagree here. I’ve seen techs like Terri Nimmi who blow me >away with how fast they tune aurally, and they tell me the ETD just get’s in their >way. LaRoy Edwards once told me that you should be able to set a temperament in >about two minutes. (I take about 4) ETD tuning might be faster for you, and maybe >for most of us, but I still tune the bass and upper treble aurally and feel I’m >faster than watching jiggly lights or screens. I know all the arguments on both sides, >and like Elwood said, this “debate†will never change anyone’s mind. >I’ll stick with my statement; nearly every ETD tuning can be enhanced by good >aural listening/tweaking, and every aural tuning can be smoothed out or improved >by careful examination using an ETD. Most people will do it their own way, anyway. > >I’m fine with those who thinks that one way is better than another for them. >God bless ‘em. Your point about saving time is a good one, but only your opinion, >and you know what they say about opinions… Let’s agree to disagree, but >share as many “tricks†as we know for the betterment of us all. Vive La >Différence! > >Your shot… <G> > >Regards, >Jim >The Aural vs. ETD debate is on! No one’s mind will be changed. Gotta go >tune a practice room piano. >Joy! >Elwood >Forgive me, Elwood, but this is not the usual ETD vs Aural debate. This debate has >nothing to do with whether an ETD tuning is better than an Aural tuning. It's all >about saving time. >You just got back tuning a practice room piano. You took, what, about an hour to do >that? What if I told you that there is a way to tune that practice room piano >exactly the same way you just tuned it, but instead of taking an hour, you could do >it 45 minutes. Would that be of interest to you? What if I told you that you could >tune all the practice rooms in your school, and all the other pianos in your school, in >45 minutes, instead of an hour. Would that be of interest to you? I don't know how >many piano you have, but if you have 50 pianos, you just saved your self 12 and a >half hours of work. >Using an ETD is not about the quality of the tuning, but the time it takes. I'm sure >you're aural tunings are fantastic, and dead on. But how many times have you been >late for supper, or had no supper at all, or had to come in on a weekend, or ....., >because you had to tune a piano at school. What if you could spend that extra 15 >minute voicing the piano, or doing some minor regulation, or whatever, instead of >tuning it? Would that be of interest you? >The bottom line, Elwood, is that an ETD is a time saver. It also, as a side benefit, is >a stress reducer. And last, but not least, it allows you to put exactly the same >tuning on each one of the pianos in your school, every time you tune it, without >having to take the time to set a temperament, which, in itself, takes 15 minutes.  >I know you enjoy tuning the pianos aurally. But let me ask you one more questions. >Would you rather tune a piano, or spend time with your family? >Wim >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com
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