That seems sensible to me...I will pass this on to my school... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: Ari <isaac at isaacpiano.com> To: caut at ptg.org Received: 9/23/2009 5:45:07 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] New flu info >Hi list. >I'm hesitante to write since I'm out of my depth but... >In Toronto hospitals they don't hose down the door handles, door jams etc. >with sterilizing liquids every time they're handled, they have, instead, at >the entrance to the wards, dispensers of sterilizing fluid you're encouraged >to use as you enter, or leave, or both. How about having, once an effective >sterilizing liquid is identified, both the prof and student(s) wash their >hands with that liquid before the lesson, after, or both and leave the piano >keys alone. Even if you succeed in sterilizing the keys you still have >your hands to worry about. >Surgeons used to use a liquid soap called physohex, I may be spelling it >wrong, it was said to be pretty potent. >Ari Isaac. >-----Original Message----- >From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jim >Busby >Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:54 PM >To: PTG-CAUT (caut at ptg.org) >Subject: [CAUT] New flu info >All, > >My son Eric is a new Pharmacist and "up" on all the latest, and has some >pretty good sources for products. I asked him to do some research and here >is what he told me; > >- Hydrogen peroxide is NOT proven to kill flu germs. It may, but Eric says >he wouldn't trust it w/o testing. >- Lysol wipes HAVE been proven to kill type A flu (Swine flu is type A) but >not type B, which is a lot of the others >- Clorox wipes say they kill flu but they have NOT done the testing. THey >have the same active ingredient as Lysol, but other stuff is different and >the bottom line is it's NOT tested/proven. >- Lysol wipes (all wipes w/o alcohol) need 10 minutes to be effective (!!! I >didn't know that!) >- Alcohol/alcohol wipes take only 30 seconds and is effective >- Sprays (Lysol or Clorox) are far more effective than wipes, mainly because >of the alcohol, and take 30 seconds, but...they have alcohol, (which we >believe is bad for keytops and finishes.) (Is it really??) >- Flu and other viral germs can live on a surface like piano keys for 2 >days, but Eric says say 3 to be safe. > >I'm revising the revisions of my revised rough copy of the "policy"... > >For whomever told me that Hydrogen Peroxide would kill flu germs, do you >have a source for seeing the tests? Eric couldn't find any. > >Does alcohol really hurt keytops, or is this another urban pianotech >legend?? I've never seen it, but there's a million things I haven't seen. > >I hate to run this into the ground, but it looks like we need to study this >more. I don't know about you, but BYU and Snow College want something >definitive ASAP, and I'm afraid profs will take it upon themselves to start >hosing down the piano after each student. Hence my pressing this query. > >Thanks. > >Jim Busby
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