[CAUT] glue/hammers

[reggaepass at aol.com]

If I'm not mistaken, the glycerin was suggested as an addition to HIDE glue, not the moulding glue as you wrote.  


Also, FWIW, I routinely replace shanks and flanges when I replace hammers, so ease of removal has not been a factor for me.


Alan Eder


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu>
To: Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com>; caut at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers







That's cool!



Where does one get glycerin? How much
per ounce of moulding glue?  I'd love to hear more of this.



Paul














From:

"Ed  Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>




To:

<caut at ptg.org>




Date:

11/03/2009 03:18 PM




Subject:

Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers













Eugene Thorndahl (of Bjorn Industries, supplier
of fine grades of hide glue) suggested to me that a small addition of glycerin
to the glue would prevent shattering of glue in the hammer head, and make
for easy removal with heat.

[I haven't tested this, or figured out just
how much is optimal.]

 

es

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jim
Busby 

To: caut at ptg.org


Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers



Alan,

 

Moulding glue is great. I
mainly went back to hide because of its easy removal (we replace hammers
a lot), strength, ease of use (using the “new” techniques) and “foolproof”
bond – once you do it right. But moulding glue works  VERY well.


 

But take this class! This
fellow (Shepherd) has written two books. One has something like “1000
tricks…”  I don’t own that book yet. Stephen Shepherd isn’t a
piano tech, but he will be teaching the class with Vince who is a world-class
technician.

 

Best,

Jim

 

From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org]
On Behalf Of reggaepass at aol.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:51 PM

To: caut at ptg.org

Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers

 

Henry, 

 

Well, I was about to tell you that I thought
moulding glue was the way to go, without any equivocation.  But if
Jim Busby was humbled by all he didn't know about hide glue and is going
back to it, I may feel the same way after attending Vince's class in Las
Vegas.  In the mean time though, we have pianos whose hammers are
glued on with either hide glue or whatever Yamaha, Steinway, Baldwin and
Bosendorfer have used over the past thirty years.  The hammer sets
I have hung using moulding glue are the ONLY ones in our inventory that
have not developed loose glue joints between hammer and shank.  Our
RH swings from 10% 60% over the course of the year.  YMMV, but if
loose hammerheads are an issue in your situation, I would give moulding
glue a shot.

 

Alan Eder





-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Busby <jim_busby at byu.edu>

To: caut at ptg.org <caut at ptg.org>

Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 12:02 pm

Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers

Hello Henry,

 

I’ve used several glues,
moulding glue being the favorite for years, but since Vince Mrykalo’s
hide glue class I went back to hide. Any problems I “thought” I had with
hide glue are outweighed by the advantages. Stephen Shepherd and Vince
will be giving a class in Las Vegas at the convention and you may be surprised
at how many tricks these guys have. I was humbled by all I DIDN’T know.


 

Jim Busby BYU

 

From: caut-bounces at ptg.org
[mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org]
On Behalf Of Dr. Henry Nicolaides

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:42 PM

To: College and University Technicians

Subject: [CAUT] glue/hammers

 

Hi List,



Has anyone used and had success with other type glues in replacement of
hammers?  I've been wondering about the new Titebond white Moulding
and Trim glue as well as the yellow glues.  Seems like out of the
bottle application would be an advantage especially when it is not anticipated
to remove the hammer at a later date.  Ease of use vs. ease of changing
out hammers periodically.?



Henry Nicolaides

Piano Technician, School of Music

Southern Illinois University

Carbondale, Illinois 62901



henryn at siu.edu








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