[CAUT] Caut Certification

[Sloane, Benjamin (sloaneba)]

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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joe Goss [imatunr at srvinet.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:24 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Caut Certification

Hi It would be a bargaining chip the bean counters could better relate to. The more letters after your name the smarter you are supposed to be Taint so but-------
Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
imatunr at srvinet.com<mailto:imatunr at srvinet.com>
www.mothergoosetools.com<http://www.mothergoosetools.com>

    Hello Joe,

   "Bean counters" is the phrase. If making money while fixing pianos is your goal, and it is not necessarily the goal of every piano tech., stay out of university and college work, and figure out a way to stick it out in the field, unless it is an abbreviated, non-full time schedule with a good salary. Or invent good tools.

   Furthermore, in the field, in comparison with your clients, you stand a much better chance of making more than your clients. In the university and college environment, at least 90% of the people you work with as faculty make more than you do, and most, a lot more, even if you run the program. For some, it is humiliating. Granted, students do need to be considered as clients at a school.

   The people making money fixing pianos run their own business efficiently, and do business well. Now it will be even more complicated to work at a college and university, still for less money then technicians in the field. I think there is a reason for this. Generally, in my experience from the field and in higher education, working at a college is easier, though somewhat more time consuming. I think the best technicians make it in the field, personally. It is tougher out there. I think that is why we associate job security in piano technology with college employment. I have yet to feel underqualified for anything I've had to do at a university or college.

   My question once again which I mentioned under the subject of budgets a few days ago, for a long-term improvement plan in the College University environment for piano techs, is, what about all the organs that need tuning in the facilities we work in? Why exclude tuning and repairing them as part of the CAUT endorsement process, if we expand the responsibility of piano technician beyond piano?

   - Ben




----- Original Message -----
From: wimblees at aol.com<mailto:wimblees at aol.com>
To: caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Caut Certification

Mark

I'm not arguing against the CAUT certification. But shouldn't all technicians hone their skills by reading the books you mention, in addition to attending conferences and seminars, and discussing the finer points of piano work on the list, etc. etc. But, what will be the significance of "earning" the certificate, other than proof that you've attended a certain number of classes?

Wim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Cramer <cramer at brandonu.ca>
To: caut at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:13 pm
Subject: [CAUT] Caut Certification


Sometimes there are initiatives that deserve our support, even if a personal
benefit isn't immediately apparent.

("Do I really need a math teacher when all I want to be is a fireman?":>)

There are also a couple of remarkable books published recently that promise
to raise the level of competence and fulfillment in our trade, though not
everyone will see a direct/personal application to their specific path:

1.) "The Voice of the Piano" by André Oorebeek (published by Jurgen
Goering). (advanced voicing)

2.) "Under the Lid" by Steve Brady. (concert work)

I can't imagine the sacrifice and dedication needed to see these kinds of
achievements through to completion
, and to think that only a year or two ago
these valuable resources didn't even exist!

So, I'm in full support of the CAUT Certification, out of gratitude and
admiration if nothing else. If it comes into being, it can be shaped and
honed as needed.

If it goes unsupported, we leave a void as *our* legacy.

Likewise with the books... *buy them* so the authors/publishers can be
compensated for their generous investment in the future of our craft. The
personal application/revelation will be a bonus.

Best regards,
Mark Cramer,
Brandon University


PS This isn't intended as a response to anyone else's post and is in no way
meant as personal...


(humbly/sincerely no time for being cornered at the water-cooler.
Thank-you:>)















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