I'll bet they were Renner blues...? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Sloane, Benjamin \(sloaneba\)" <sloaneba at ucmail.uc.edu> To: caut at ptg.org Received: 6/15/2009 7:10:06 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Getting lacquer out of hammers - follow up > I should probably add that this is a determination I did not make entirely myself. > As a contractor at CCM before Steinwaynization I regularly serviced half a dozen >Steinway L's in the practice rooms for years, one which had non-Steinway hammers. >It was obvious that the one without Steinway hammers was used the least. This was >the one Steinway that seemed to lag behind the Baldwins far as use was concerned. >Even the star power of Steinway could not overcome the drawbacks of installing >non-Steinway hammers in the piano. >From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Sloane, >Benjamin (sloaneba) >Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM >To: 'caut at ptg.org' >Subject: Re: [CAUT] Getting lacquer out of hammers - follow up > Hello William, > I understand why people like Kent say some of what they say; to combat fear, I >think. > Why say "You cannot put too much juice in a Steinway hammer?" >Because people are timid about doing it. > Why say "You need to needle the crown much as necessary and re-juice if you >needle too much?" >Because people are timid about it, esp. when more familiar with the hard-pressed >and European hammers, when generally those who teach how to needle those >hammers discourage on the crown needling. In fact, some off the crown needling is >used on harder pressed hammers to increase sound, not to diminish it, though I >don't want to get into the specifics of that right now. > Why say "You cannot ruin a Steinway hammer?" Because people are afraid if they >add too much juice or needle the crown too much, they will ruin the Steinway >hammer, and so they don't use enough juice or needle the crown enough. > I don't think people are seeing these statements in that context, though, and that >is part of what I am trying to say. I am using hyperbole in the other direction. I am >also trying to introduce the observation for all those who decide other hammers >work better in Steinways than Steinway hammers that I prefer Steinway hammers in >Steinways, and I don't think with the right knowledge installing Steinway hammers in >a Steinway should be any more complicated. I've come across a number of >Steinways with foreign hammers installed that sound terrible, largely because they >did not use Steinway hammers, in spite of all the success people posting on the >CAUT list apparently have had installing foreign hammers in Steinways. If Steinway >sends you a bad set, or you are dissatisfied with the pre-lacquering process and you >know how to do it yourself, by all means send them back, or lacquer them entirely >yourself. > Good luck with whatever other hammers you use, >- Ben >From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of William >Monroe >Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:34 AM >To: caut at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [CAUT] Getting lacquer out of hammers - follow up >Ben, >As Fred suggests, the notion is there, but it's not the protocol. I was in NY last >year, and Kent did suggest that if you "over-do" either needling or juicing, it can >usually be solved by the reverse process. However, it was also encouraged that we >develop a feel for how much juicing the hammers would need in any section and >work efficiently with the application. Fred's post is spot-on otherwise, in terms of >what NY teaches these days. >William R. Monroe >SNIP >My impression is that for the new it's just, you can't ruin a Steinway Hammer, needle >juice needle juice needle juice needle juice needle juice needle juice needle juice >needle juice needle juice needle juice, mind you, all crown needling, and then people >complain about Steinway hammers. Another way to reduce crown needling is off the >top juicing, depending on the solvency of the juice, penetration into hammer, etc. > I am so glad I go to the factory armed with an understanding not cultivated entirely >by the new school approach, however misinformed a may be about it. > Israel, were those hammers pre-hung? Steinway sells pre-hung hammers now, and >I do not know how they go about it. I am wondering how much needling those >hammers were subjected to before you even got them. > - Ben
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