Hi Ed... I find myself in perfect agreement with your post, as I understand it. And Weinreich's article is often in the back of my mind as I ponder these issues. Cheers RicB Greetings, I am one of those, I think, but I allow it rather than produce it! Since reading Gabriel. Weinreich's findings, http://www.speech.kth.se/music/5_lectures/weinreic/weinreic.html Gabriel Weinreich: The coupled motion of piano I began questioning exactly what I was looking for in a unison. Then I bought a SAT and began looking at numbers. The phase relationship can be altered by an unnoticeable difference in pitch to achieve the best sounding unsions, since it appears that the fullness and sustain of a unison doesn't necessarily depend on all three strings vibrating at exactly the same frequency. Since I am in this for the money, I listen to customers. One of my more seasoned performance customers, with many years of exoerience, told me that my tunings sounded better a day after I had tuned them. This artist is a very forceful player and I had always tried to leave the piano as clean as possible. I went back a day after a tuning to see what was the difference and could barely discern any, but there was the slightest drift in most of the unisons. NOT a drift that caused a beat, since the sound died out before a full cycle could be heard, and not a drift that produced even a "yowl", but the SAT would show that usually one of the three strings exhibited a tendency to be either sharp or flat from where I had left it. I am talking about maybe a tenth or two of a cent. However, this is enough to increase the sustain and apparent fullness of the note. The piano sound I get when all three strings stop the lights dead on is not the same as when I tune two strings to the lights and then place the third string by ear. I believe the latter approach is the way to go to get consistant unisons, since 'machine perfect' produces some notes that are crystal clear and some that are not. By aurally tuning the third string, I think I am allowing a sensual judgement to determine the final sound, and the coupled motion is at the heart of this. Some notes above C6 require an obvious variation to produce an acceptable unison. And false beating strings often require even more divergence from exact to give the illusion of clarity. I tune as cleanly as I can, but the machine tells me that this often requires more than one pitch in a unison to achieve. I do this knowing that anything from soundboard movement to bridge expansion/contraction will loosen up the unisons soon enough, and the durability of the tuning is better if I start the unisons "too clean", since from this starting point, it takes longer for the divergence to become apparent. regards, Ed Foote RPT
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