[CAUT] CAUT Digest, Vol 1, Issue 76

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Schmidt, Henry R
<Russell.Schmidt at uky.edu>wrote:

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> Russell Schmidt - Piano Technician UK School of Music
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>   1. Re: "You are The Greatest!" (Zeno Wood)
>   2. Re: Steinway... The "Safe" Piano. (Fred Sturm)
>   3. Re: new steinways (Gerald Cousins)
>   4. Re: new steinways (Fred Sturm)
>   5. Re: new steinways (Andrew Anderson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:44:10 -0500
> From: "Zeno Wood" <zeno.wood at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] "You are The Greatest!"
> To: caut at ptg.org
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> I agree wholeheartedly!  Every once in a while there's a thoughtful student
> who takes a second to say hello and thank me for my work, and it reminds me
> I'm glad to be a CAUT.  Academic politics, budget slashings, and spilled
> coffee aside, I enjoy the job.
>
> Zeno Wood
> Brooklyn College
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Ron Poire <rpoire at comcast.net> wrote:
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> >  It all comes with being available, whenever possible, to chat, or say
> > "Hi," or spend a couple minutes listening to a rehearsal.  And if they
> tell
> > you about a problem, find out how the performance went.
> > It's all about hand-holding when you can.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* reggaepass at aol.com
> > *To:* caut at ptg.org
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:38 PM
> > *Subject:* [CAUT] "You are The Greatest!"
> >
> > List,
> > The subject line may sound like what the renowned boxer Mohammed Ali
> would
> > say to his image reflected back to him in a mirror before a bout.  But, I
> am
> > delighted to report, it is ALSO what a student just said to me as I
> passed
> > her in the hallway (!!!).  I figured that she had just spilled a drink in
> a
> > piano or had some other bad news to relay and that she was simply
> softening
> > me up before the other shoe dropped.  But no, she claims that all of the
> > other institutional piano technicians she has encountered (obviously, no
> one
> > on this list!) were grumpy and of otherwise generally sour disposition.
> >  After thanking her for making my day (week, month, year...), I told her
> > that maintaining a positive outlook was my way of rebelling against the
> > stereotype.
> >
> > May you all be similarly blessed (sounds corny, but I really mean it).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alan Eder
> > CalArts
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:46:45 -0700
> From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Steinway... The "Safe" Piano.
> To: caut University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
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> On Nov 24, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Ed Sutton wrote:
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> > In any case, we have seen many times on this list that piano
> > solutions don't necessarily converge. I am uncomfortable with any
> > one-and-only-best-solution.
>
>
> I agree. I certainly don't endorse an all-Anything for everybody. I
> guess I don't see that happening in a practical sense - the entire
> country being "taken over" by all-Steinway. In any case, I hate to see
> us as cauts getting into battle array to try to stem the tide of those
> horrible Steinways. It just doesn't make sense to me as an attitude
> for us to take. By all means, let us do our best to promote the idea
> of diversity, and try to make that a practical reality where feasible.
> But I think that we cause ourselves and our profession harm by
> engaging in this kind of negative campaigning.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Sturm
> University of New Mexico
> fssturm at unm.edu
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:04:15 -0500
> From: Gerald Cousins <cousins_gerry at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] new steinways
> To: CAUT <caut at ptg.org>, John Chapman <johnchapman at asolare.org>
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> John,
> A very wise purchase and mix.
> Do you have the prep "punch list" from Steinway Hamburg?
> It is very helpful and a good starting point. As with all my procedures I
> use
> punch lists to (hopefully) avoid forgetfulness. It is also useful when I
> find myself interrupted.
> Which NEVER happens. Ha!
>
> Happy T-Day to everyone on the list!
> Gerry C
> West Chester Universitygcousins at wcupa.edu
> On 11/26/08 6:45 AM, "John D. Chapman" <johnchapman at asolare.org> wrote:
> Our music department just received four new Steinways: one D, two Bs,and an
> A.  Other than the obvious tuning and voicing, what immediateprep would you
> suggest?John ChapmanWake Forest UniversityWinston-Salem, North Carolina
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:15:20 -0700
> From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] new steinways
> To: caut at ptg.org
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> Hi John,
>        In addition to what Jon wrote, I would actually pull the stack to
> check all keys: balance holes and bushings. It's a good thing to have
> done. I like to lube and iron all bushings, ream and lube all balance
> holes as a matter of course. (Precision reamer, 0.147", twisted back
> and forth once about 90-120 degrees lightly in each hole - makes for a
> clean and precise hole, consistent for every key). Your experience may
> differ in NC from our dry conditions in NM, as to sizing of balance
> holes - you are closer in RH to the Kluge factory. I find balance
> holes on all brands tend to be too snug in new pianos. Lube the key
> pins: hold the keyframe vertical and run a paintbrush with Prolube or
> McLube along the part that the keybushings will contact (a couple
> minutes that pays off handsomely).
>        Check parts alignment. In particular, before aligning hammers to
> strings, see if the whole action/keyframe is slightly shifted to the
> bass end (compression of that una corda stop felt) and shim out the
> block a bit if needed. Check for twisted shanks and correct (bass
> hammer in particular can tend to lean in one or other direction,
> causing rubbing issues until corrected). It's a good idea to go
> through regulation: at the least, the capstans likely need tweaking,
> and you may find things like a few blocking hammers. Not necessarily a
> full regulation, just check each note for proper function.
>        About the damper wires, they can tend to be set so they bear/bind
> too
> tightly against one side of the bushing. They are intended to bear
> "lightly but firmly." A very light tough on the bending pliers (bottom-
> most bend) will get it to the point where "the firmness is there but
> the friction is not." And if there is still a friction issue, with
> action out press down the damper pedal and run a paintbrush of Prolube
> along the wires just above the bushings (fast, gets them all at once).
>        I like to level the strings first off. It might or might not have
> been done already (they have string levels in the factory). Check
> trapwork for pins working loose. I had a problem with una corda lever
> pin walking out on a couple in the past few years. Maybe they have
> corrected the problem. Good luck!
> Regards,
> Fred Sturm
> University of New Mexico
> fssturm at unm.edu
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Ralinovsky, Jonathan Mr. wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> > Congratulations on your department?s purchase. I would suggest
> > TFL-50 for the keybed (where the front/back rail and glides contact
> > it) and ends of the keyframe where the keyframe contacts the return
> > spring. Check the damper wires to ensure that they are moving freely
> > through the damper guide rail. Lubricate the key bushings with
> > Prolube or your favorite equivalent; ease key bushings and balance
> > holes as needed.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Jon
> >
> > Jon Ralinovsky
> > Piano Technician
> > Department of Music
> > Miami University
> > 513/529-6548
> >
> >
> > On 11/26/08 6:45 AM, "John D. Chapman" <johnchapman at asolare.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Our music department just received four new Steinways: one D, two Bs,
> > and an A.  Other than the obvious tuning and voicing, what immediate
> > prep would you suggest?
> > John Chapman
> > Wake Forest University
> > Winston-Salem, North Carolina
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:31:04 -0600
> From: Andrew Anderson <andrew at andersonmusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] new steinways
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> John,
> That would depend on the quality of service provided by your
> dealership.  Steinways come virtually unplayable from the manufacturer
> and the dealership is expected to prep the piano to the customer's
> requirements.  Essentially the dealer's (or your) technician should go
> through all the steps in the Steinway service manual with each piano,
> especially for the performance instruments.  This can amount to
> several days per piano depending on the condition it arrived in.
>
> Additional work:
>        Polish the capstans and keypins with Flitz if at all discolored or
> any roughness/friction is detected.
>        lube capstans, keypins, damper wires through the glides with Prolube
> (helps protect against oxidation)
>        lube key bushings, whippen heals, keyend felt (underlever contact),
> jack regulation buttons, hammer knuckles with microfine teflon powder
> (doesn't attract moisture or accumulate grime)
>        TFL (teflon) or teflon powder the contact of keyframe with the shift
> return spring and with the keybed.
>        MPL lube the guides on each end of the keyframe going into the
> cheakblocks
>        Prolube the pedal rod guides and teflon lube their contact points.
>        Establish positive (felt damped) stops for the pedals under the
> keybed (big headed lag screws), especially the shift pedal
>        Go through the hammers and check grams tension on the hammer flanges
> (lube with cpl or repin as necessary, this has a big effect on voice)
> In the hall and storage areas be very strict about maintaining a piano
> friendly environment.  Steady relative humidity (40% low end, 55% high
> end and preferably no more then a 5% swing) and temperature are
> essential to stable tuning and regulation.  What is more, this is
> essential to the long-term life of the instrument.  I have a B here
> that was stored in a hallway where humidity swung from 35% to 88% RH.
> There are glue joints failing throughout the action probably
> throughout the piano construction as well.  Until this happened no-one
> wanted to seriously consider my warnings.
>
> After play-in more regulation will be needed as the contact points
> (felt and leather) adjust to usage.  Pianos with a regular playing
> schedule will need annual regulation but the time required to do it
> will drop as the parts settle into their used state.
>
> You should maintain a parts inventory onsite for your performance
> instruments containing a stringset, a couple spare whippens and hammer
> shanks and flanges.  This especially if you have only one model of the
> given piano.  There's nothing like loosing a monochord on a D during a
> pre-concert rehearsal and then finding out that there are no
> replacements in-state that can get to you in time for the concert.
> Same thing for broken action parts.  Steinway wasn't selling spare
> parts kits last time I called so you may choose one of the other fine
> makes to have emergency spares on hand for just such an occasion.  We
> have couple each of Tokiwa parts to cover for broken inventory here.
> I recommend Abel Encore but would have to check if they break up sets
> to sell little kits like that.
>
> Good luck with the piano investment.  Hopefully none were stillborn
> from the factory.  If any are found to be problematic don't hesitate
> to aggressively insist on a replacement.  The longer you wait the
> greater the resistance to dealing with a problem instrument.  I know
> of a D being replaced by the factory.  I know of another that they
> didn't get around to addressing the issue until the short warranty was
> almost over and the dealer dragged her feet, sent her technician who
> obfuscated, flattered, denigrated his colleagues doing whatever it
> took to slow them down.  The short warranty expired and now they
> refuse to talk about the issue.  No one wants to play the D there
> after he worked on it.  The B has become their instrument of choice,
> clicking glue joints and all.
>
> Andrew Anderson
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:45 AM, John D. Chapman wrote:
>
> > Our music department just received four new Steinways: one D, two
> > Bs, and an A.  Other than the obvious tuning and voicing, what
> > immediate prep would you suggest?
> > John Chapman
> > Wake Forest University
> > Winston-Salem, North Carolina
> >
>
>
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