[CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

[David Love]

Or perhaps you missed something.  Del just posted something on shortening
the cantilever on the M, not eliminating it.  The factors that have been
discussed have not been limited to the cantilever alone but also include the
backscale length, proximity of the low tenor bridge in relation to the bass
bridge, scaling, soundboard design especially in the bass end of the piano,
hitch pin arrangements to name a few.  And as our Norwegian colleague will
no doubt inform you, "improved" is only a state of mind.  

 

David Love
davidlovepianos at comcast.net
www.davidlovepianos.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Keith
Roberts
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:18 AM
To: Ed Sutton; College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

 

I just attended the soundboard design class 2 by Urlich Sauter. The question
was posed to him as to why the one piano had a cantelever bass and the other
didn't. He said On this piano he felt the sound benefited more from the
scale being longer but the bridge needed to be placed away from the rim
farther. It was not an excessive cantelever and very well built. He
obviously listened to it both ways and he was of the opinion the cantelever
improved the overall sound. You guys who insist that in all instances, no
cantilever is better than some, you must be missing something. 

Keith Roberts

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com> wrote:

Bruce doesn't claim to have the only answer.
He seems to thrive on the thought that there can be many different kinds of
pianos.
Ed 



----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>

To: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>; "College and University Technicians"
<caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone 




True. That's why I quoted him, even though it goes against what I've seen.
I'm still very much the rooky/learner at this.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed
Sutton
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:37 AM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

Jim-

I can't think of anyone with as broad an experience of the industry as
Bruce's. He designed and built the real Falcone piano, and he is the the
person who designs the new Mason and Hamlin pianos, and gets them built.
He's very open to innovation, but recognizes that an innovation has to be
made to work in the factory and must be accepted by the market. He seems to
be hitting the mark with Mason & Hamlin.

Ed Sutton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
To: <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>; "College and UniversityTechnicians"
<caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone



David,

FWIW, Bruce Clark (M&H #1 man) and I had a lengthy discussion about this.
He played some bass notes for me and said "With a bass like this why would
we want to change?" He's not a believer but admits he hasn't tried it.

Jim Busby

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
David Ilvedson
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:12 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

Speaking of the belt, I noticed on a newer Mason & Hamlin A that it had a
pretty short backscale, especially the lower notes.   If a modification
was to be done (I'm not planning this or anything, just interested) would
material be removed from the belt and the bridge moved closer toward the
t-pins?

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
Received: 5/1/2008 4:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone



Yes, belt.  That was it!  Age is a cruel thing...

 

David Love
davidlovepianos at comcast.net
www.davidlovepianos.com <http://www.davidlovepianos.com/> 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Delwin
D Fandrich
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:17 PM
To: 'College and University Technicians'
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

 


The part of the plate between the bass bridge and the lower part of the
tenor
bridge is traditionally called the "belt."

 

Del

 

| -----Original Message-----
| From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On
| Behalf Of David Love
| Sent: May 01, 2008 1:27 PM
| To: 'College and University Technicians'
| Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered
| bridge, tone
|
| I meant the plate.  I realize there's an apron on a
| cantilevered bass bridge but I always thought that part of
| the plate in front of the bass bridge was also called the
| apron.  Brain cells could well be deteriorating--everything else is.
|
| David Love
| davidlovepianos at comcast.net
| www.davidlovepianos.com <http://www.davidlovepianos.com/> 





 

 

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