[CAUT] piano moving stuff

[Fred Sturm]

Hi Ed,
	Sounds like a great idea. Photos?
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico
fssturm at unm.edu



On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Ed Sutton wrote:

> List,
>
> For turning small pianos in tight spaces, make a "T" of 2 x 4's,  
> reinforced with plywood plates. The leg should be about the length  
> of the lyre.
> Remove the lyre and screw the T to the keybed, or also remove the  
> action and clamp the T along the front of the keybed. Unlike the  
> horse, it will turn the piano "in place." If you're tipping onto  
> blocks or a raised skid board, attach the T a little bit off center  
> to the bass side and the piano will land comfortably balanced for  
> the "up lift."
>
> Ed Sutton
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Busby
> To: College and University Technicians
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
>
> List,
>
> In very small practice rooms sometimes moving on the lyre is the  
> only way. The main problem with this practice is the loosening of  
> lyre wedges, etc. and so you must always check the integrity of the  
> lyre. One of the best movers in Utah always uses the lyre and claims  
> 40 years of “no problems”. I have a horse. Love it, sometimes…
>
> Jim Busby
>
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf  
> Of Ward & Probst, Inc
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:00 PM
> To: 'College and University Technicians'
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
>
> PW,
>
> Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I  
> don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon  
> Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype  
> that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He  
> suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to  
> counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this  
> saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't  
> have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We  
> have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each end.
> I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else  
> did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff  
> had every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in Grand  
> Rapids, MI at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best  
> venues yet.
> DP
> July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009
>
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf  
> Of Paul T Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: College and University Technicians
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
>
> I NEVER use the lyre for tilting.  Who does such a horrible thing?   
> How would one combine the two?  I'm trying to visualize  getting the  
> lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly  
> under....  Sure would save some backs!!!
>
> pw
>
> ps Thanks.  I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the shop..   
> It looks real good.  any pics of your shop built thing?
> How was natonal?
>
> pw
>
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> Hi Paul,
>
> Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be  
> combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariothttp://www.premiermovingequipment.com/ 
>  may be raised off the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to  
> take the piano to the ground. I use something similar to the GC that  
> is shop built and it requires more care to use it in combination  
> with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the  
> lyre for turning.
>
> DP
> Dale Probst, RPT
> Midwestern State University
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf  
> Of Paul T Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM
> To: caut at ptg.org
> Subject: [CAUT] piano moving stuff
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>
> Hi all
>
> I hope your time in Anaheim was good for all!
>
> We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her  
> Yamaha C-7 this fall.  she asked me about piano moving stuff and  
> mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand  
> chariot"  which looks more like a skidboard with wheels.
>
> Have any of you used these things?  Are they worth the money? (she  
> has a grant to buy said items)  Anything better out there?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Paul

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