[CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?

[rwest1 at unl.edu]

Eric, Fred, Jim, Don and others of the CAUT committee:

First, I want to join in the applause for the committee.  The tasks  
you've been charged with are daunting.  I appreciate your interest  
and only ask that your passion be matched with a good dose of realism  
and practicality.  If it isn't, I'm sure you know that you'll hear  
about it from the multitudes.

Like Dennis Johnson has stated, you've received a lot of input  
recently and so now you have to pull all of the comments together  
with your own ideas, and produce something workable.  I must admit my  
preference lies with seeing some concrete movement in curriculum  
development rather than testing.  But I'm not one to stand in the way  
of progress.  Many of the major steps forward in PTG have come about  
because a dedicated member took it upon himself/herself to follow an  
idea to a solid product that  can be put to use.  Also I agree with  
Ed that consulting with programs that have worked is a good path to  
pursue.  Successful university mentoring/teaching programs,  
manufacturers schools, and residence schools could all be valuable  
resources.

I've always felt that the CAUT committee was full of potential that  
had gone untapped.  CAUT's are a talented group with access to  
quality pianos.  Plans that reach out to that group will also reach  
out across the country to the very grassroots of PTG.  I've always  
felt that as good as the convention is, it only reaches a limited  
number of people.  For PTG as a whole to move forward, we need to  
find ways to get to the grassroots of the organization. If your  
efforts can address that problem, the impact will be greater.  I  
would like to see programs that not only help CAUT's to improve/test  
their skills, but help CAUT's to educate/train students and  
apprentices in their own local communities.  That's a tall order.

And don't be in a hurry.  Kent Swafford in his infinite wisdom once  
said to me that projects in PTG can take years to evolve, develop and  
mature.  I have to agree with him.

So in spite of what could be construed to be negative comments coming  
from lowly Nebraska, I support you guys.  PTG will be better off  
because of your efforts and dedication.

Richard West


On Oct 29, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Ed Sutton wrote:

> Anne-
>
> "Compete" was not a good word choice. I just wondered if the  
> committee had considered your program in their deliberations. You  
> might have an experienced view of the questions they are pondering.
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Garee, Anne E.
> To: College and University Technicians
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?
>
> Fred, Ed, and All,
>
> The two-year master’s program at Florida State University is an  
> unusually accelerated and intensive opportunity.  It is one option  
> in a field of rare opportunity for such training.  Graduates leave  
> with tools I wish I’d had when I started out thirty years ago.  Not  
> only are they equipped to fill university posts but can virtually  
> go anywhere in the business and plug in successfully.  I designed  
> the program with as much openness and free exchange of ideas as  
> possible as evidenced by our ever growing list of guest lecturers.   
> I also hoped that other institutions and entities would be  
> stimulated by our program to look into developing other  
> opportunities.  Any initiative that helps elevate and strengthen  
> our field is worth investigating as collaborative, not competitive.
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf  
> Of Fred Sturm
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:23 PM
> To: caut
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?
>
>
>
> On 10/27/07 12:34 PM, "Ed  Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> FSU is offering a Masters of Music in Piano Technology.  I believe  
> the program is intended to train people to work in a university,  
> i.e. as "academically credentialed CAUTs".
> How does the proposed CAUT credential compare to that curriculum?   
> Will PTG be competing with an accredited program?
> Ed S.
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>     I believe Ann Garee at FSU is set up to train a maximum of two  
> masters candidates in piano technology per year, or maybe it is two  
> students enrolled and one degree per year. A drop in the bucket,  
> though a welcome drop.
>     At any rate, it is unlikely that she would consider what we a  
> proposing as “competition.” She was very supportive of the caut  
> endorsement concept when I spoke to her about it this past summer.  
> There can be no question that a two year hands-on program with a  
> mentor in a real life music department is far beyond anything we in  
> PTG can produce in terms of training opportunities.
> Regards,
> Fred Sturm
> University of New Mexico
>
>

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