[CAUT] squeak

Leslie Fitzpatrick lesfitz at cox.net
Wed Nov 22 05:19:42 MST 2006


thank you mark I did find a groove in the back of the key frame caused by the large countersunk philips screw that is supposed to
act as an action stop. I sanded out the groove and turned the screw in a half a round. The screw wasn't tight either and I'm
wondering if that may be the source. because when I flipped the head of the screw with my fingernail, it gave the same pitch as
the squeak did. I will keep everybody posted as to how this plays out.

Les Fitzpatrick
<http://www.fitzsupershop.com

Piano Technician
ham call sign K5FPT
  -----Original Message-----
  From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org]On Behalf Of Mark Ultsch
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:43 PM
  To: College and University Technicians
  Subject: Re: [CAUT] squeak


  I had a similar situation with  an Estonia L190 -- I think it is 6'-4" or 6'-8"-- serial no. 6347.  I think it was
manufacturered 3 years ago.  All the aforementioned diagnostics/fixes were tried.    The problem was isolated to be above the lyre
and trapwork.

  I also cleaned (even used a bit of naptha and Flitz) and polished the action shift spring and lubed it and the key frame with
teflon.  It helped a lot, but the problem was still vaguely there, and grew back in just a couple of weeks.

  Another tech (three of us spent hours each going over this piano) removed the action shift spring and gingerly (stomped on it)
reduced it's spring rate.  That again helped temporarily but the problem returned.  Eventually, the  owner was given a  good deal
on a new Estonia by the dealer.

  I know this history isn't helping you solve the problem, but I'm wondering if the problem (in my case) is more complex than
simply one problem.  Could bad lubricant have gotten burnished into the key frame wood to cause the spring  to squeek?  In my
case, the squeek became worse after continued use of the pedal.

  Do you have indentations on the treble side of the keyframe made from a "heavy" action shift spring?
  Could it be that a glide bold is loose and is shifting in the key frame?

  I'd really like to know what you discover on this one, Les.

  73's!

  Mark Ultsch, RPT





    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Ilvedson
    To: caut at ptg.org
    Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:54 PM
    Subject: Re: [CAUT] squeak


    Also the cheekblocks/keyframe pins can squeek...protek...prolube?

    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA 94044




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    Original message
    From: "Leslie Fitzpatrick"
    To: "Ptg List"
    Received: 11/21/2006 10:17:59 AM
    Subject: [CAUT] squeak


    Hello, I hav a estonia grand probably a 6 foot it has a squeak when you depress the soft pedal I graphited the key bed and it
totally stopped. But a day later it is back worse than ever. I also adjusted the glides that were not adjusted properly I sure
need help with this one.
    Les Fitzpatrick
    <http://www.fitzsupershop.com

    Piano Technician
    ham call sign K5FPT

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