[CAUT] was caf now seasonal sb failure

Daniel Gurnee dgurnee@humboldt1.com
Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:01:50 -0800


Vinegar will usually reactivate hide glue and be sufficient to reset 
soundboard to rim.

Dan Gurnee


On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 11:16 AM, central wrote:

> Greg, Ron, and other Soundboard Experts,
>       If you do find a soundboard to rim crack with chunks of aging 
> excess
> glue collar flaking away, and you don't want to rebuild it what then?  
> Will
> thin CA glue squirted into the crack do anything to restore tone?
> -Mike Jorgensen
>
>
> On 3/1/06 2:09 PM, "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob,
>>          Sorry for the delay, but yes, that's
>> exactly how I would check for it other than visually where you can.
>>
>> best,
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> At 01:06 AM 3/1/2006, you wrote:
>>> Good idea to check this.  Is this best checked
>>> underneath the SB with a palatte knife or similar for
>>> a solid connection between the two?
>>>
>>> I know SB crack is in some sense a cosmetic
>>> distraction, but does speak about how dried out the
>>> board is getting to cause separation.
>>>
>>> Bob Hull
>>>
>>> --- Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> May sound like a beginners answer but have you
>>>> checked the soundboard's glue joint connection to
>>>> the inner rim?
>>>>
>>>> Greg Newell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 12:08 AM 3/1/2006, you wrote:
>>>>> The catastrophic action failure thread may have
>>>> merged
>>>>> into a discussion of seasonal loss of crown/db and
>>>>> therefore I guess sustain/tonal quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are observations about two terrible sounding
>>>> NY
>>>>> D's I am servicing; Plus, a question about finding
>>>> the
>>>>> culprit.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1. I went to a recital this evening at one of the
>>>>> univ. for which I do piano service.  The NY D (mid
>>>>> 1970's era) was more dreadful than usual,
>>>> particularly
>>>>> in tonal fullness.  There was the initial splatter
>>>> of
>>>>> sound, quite thin and short, in octaves 5 and 6.
>>>> It
>>>>> sounds this way I guess at other times of the year
>>>> but
>>>>> I really noticed it tonight sitting out in the
>>>>> audience.  When I tune, I zero in so much on the
>>>>> tuning that I turn off my voicing perception.
>>>> There's
>>>>> no money in their budget for improvements at this
>>>>> time, unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I sat there, I wanted to investigate, does this
>>>>> piano need, voicing or new hammers or a new board?
>>>>> Hammers have been replaced (by a previous tech) and
>>>>> aren't that worn.  The SB has a crack in it that is
>>>>> definitely more visible during this time of the
>>>> year.
>>>>> Yesterday when I tuned somewhere here in the area
>>>> it
>>>>> was 28% rh at 71 deg.  Could be a little different
>>>> I
>>>>> suppose from location to location.
>>>>>
>>>>> #2. The second D, which is bothering me greatly is
>>>> in
>>>>> a church.  It's also a 1970's model.  I put all new
>>>>> hammers and wippens in it replacing teflon parts
>>>> and
>>>>> problems about 2 years ago.  I hoped for great
>>>>> improvement in tone.  While I got some, the piano
>>>>> still lacks power terribly.  I am in the process of
>>>>> adding keytop/acetone which is giving some help but
>>>>> still not what I want.  When I pluck a string it's
>>>> not
>>>>> much or any different than the hammer strike.  A
>>>>> rocker gauge on the bridge of this piano indicates
>>>>> there is downbearing. This one has a Dampp Chaser,
>>>> the
>>>>> univ. one doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you always check crown/downbearing a particular
>>>>> way: under the board with a thread; rocker gauge on
>>>>> bridge; thread from agraffe to hitch pin; Lowell
>>>> gauge
>>>>> or other? I used different methods, but wonder
>>>> which
>>>>> gives the best reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Hull
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding Steinway, the loose pinning
>>>> (currently
>>>>>> 20% RH at
>>>>>>> this particular venue), coupled with raising
>>>> the
>>>>>> hammer
>>>>>>> line several mm (key-dip; a very skinny .400")
>>>>>> brought
>>>>>>> about the dread CAF on several notes. (see
>>>> Eric's
>>>>>> test)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something I've been meaning to ask. New York
>>>>>> Steinways, I
>>>>>> assume? 20%RH at 70° puts soundboards at 4.5%MC.
>>>>>> That's at or
>>>>>> below (depending on who you talk to) what they
>>>> were
>>>>>> originally
>>>>>> dried down to for compression crowning with flat
>>>>>> ribs. There
>>>>>> shouldn't be a lick of crown anywhere in these
>>>>>> pianos in these
>>>>>> conditions, and they ought to be mostly killer
>>>>>> octave and
>>>>>> sound thoroughly terrible right now. Do they?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron N
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