[CAUT] Topping tank/summer shut-down

Cramer at BrandonU.CA Cramer at BrandonU.CA
Sat Jun 10 20:42:07 MDT 2006


Dave,

we started by-passing our humidifier tanks last summer, 
and have done the same for this summer, for several of the 
very same reasons you mention.

We (the student assistants) un-plug the humidifer, remove 
the tank, empty and clean it, and install new pads.

If repairs are needed, the tank goes to the shop, if not, 
it is left hanging by two hooks (to indicate it's out of 
service) until fall.

We use Radio Shack "test clamps" to short the LWL so the 
water light won't flash, and have painted-out all 
the "pads" lights with black nail polish.

I'm not ready to draw conclusions as to how well the 
pianos fare, after just one summer of trial, however, the 
pitch of most practice pianos was quite good last fall, 
when tanks we're re-installed.

The sketchy logic behind my decision is that during 
seasons when avg. RH is above 42%, dehumidifying wil be 
the dominant cycle (as you note). 

When the low humidity threshold is finally, if ever 
reached, the humidifier will NOT be available to return RH 
to the upper threshold. However, there seems to be plenty 
of ambient humidity to take care of that. Anyone find 
otherwise?

Pressure Ridges, etc.:

Regarding manufacturing processes and rcommendations, it 
seems helpful to divide things into two areas of 
responsibility: the manufacturer's, and the owners.

The manufacturer's responsiblity is to determine the Wood 
Moisture Content the wood will be milled, assembled and 
finished at, then provide the owner with the corresponding 
range of RH required to keep it that way.

i.e: If Steinway does their work at X% WMC, then they 
might tell the owner something like "your job is to keep 
the RH between XX and XX%." 

If the makers have done their job, and the owner does 
theirs, the WMC will remain at X%. 

i.e: the wood will remain at the identical dimensions at 
which it was original milled, assembled and glued... no 
pressure ridges, no cracks. 

(ever notice manufacturers always seem to specify 
a "range" rather than a pinpoint RH spec? It always seems 
to correspond very close to the upper/lower thresholds 
indicated on a Dampp-Chaser Humidistat)

At Banff, where we anticipate below average RH year 
around, we always work our wood at a 5% WMC, and haven't a 
failure that I can recall (either pressure ridges or 
cracks). IOW, we select (take an educated guess at...) the 
WMC that matches the average range of RH. 

Mind you, in a "perfect world" neither Banff nor Brandon 
would ever drop below 11 degrees F, even in January. Yup, 
like that's gonna happen!  ;>)  

ciao,
Mark C. 


 Mark:
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your reply.  The word "Forced" was not a good 
choice in my
> original post.  "Makes available" would probably be 
better.  I just know
> that if I were in a more extreme climate where 
humidification were
> essential I would probably try to avoid the constant 
tank filling during
> the summer if possible.  Filling the tanks, changing the 
pads, etc. is a
> lot of work!  
> 
>  
> 
> We have a couple of rooms where excess humidity is 
sometimes a problem
> but for the most part our building stays quite good.  I 
do worry more
> about high humidity than low.  Most of our grand pianos 
are Steinways
> and since they dry their panels so much I've always 
thought they did
> well in the dryness.  When humidity is high the boards 
tend to develop
> compression ridges which then crack the next time the 
humidity goes
> down.  I've always thought that if we keep them on the 
drier side, they
> don't develop as many problems.  
> 
>  
> 
> We did get down to 11-degrees (F) once this year and 
that's pretty rare
> but the temperature was back up long before our building 
had a chance to
> react in any way.  I know that 11-degrees would be a 
treat for you in
> January!  
> 
>  
> 
> I do think someone should do more research on the idea 
of having the
> system "off" when the relative humidity is in the 
correct zone.  I also
> realize that would probably demand humidistats with much 
higher accuracy
> than what is currently available.
> 
>  
> 
> dave
> 
>  
> 
> David M. Porritt
> 
>



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