[CAUT] Grease/Oil on upright pressure bar

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:20:18 -0700


Andrew,

I think before you do anything you should be contacting Boston.   How old are these pianos?   Get there input.

David I.



----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Fred Sturm" <fssturm@unm.edu>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org>
Received: 10/7/2005 1:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Grease/Oil on upright pressure bar


>Hi Andrew,
>     Probably the only way to remove the grease would be to lower  
>pitch enough to fit a rag between strings and pressure bar. I would  
>use a rag dipped in a solvent like mineral spirits and rung out, and  
>work it back and forth between strings and pressure bar, then fish it  
>between strings and v-bar. Do a couple unisons at a time. Experiment,  
>see if it is working for you. You might also want to check to see  
>that whoever lubed it didn't also loosen the pressure bar screws. See  
>it there seems to be a reasonable angle of string between speaking  
>length and the part going under the bar. With as little friction as  
>you describe, I would get suspicious.
>     A somewhat similar situation arises with spills of soda,  
>especially of the cola varieties. A bit of the sticky stuff gets  
>between strings and v-bar, with an amazingly deadening effect. If you  
>don't manage to wipe the under side of the string, as well as the  
>bar, you won't solve the problem. In that case, a damp rag is  
>necessary. I've fooled with Q-tips, brushes, moving strings back and  
>forth, and come to the conclusion that unless you actually physically  
>rub between the string and the bar, you won't get it all. Agraffes  
>are worse, because you can't easily remove the string, though you can  
>move the sticky part of the string out of the agraffe.
>     Which is the answer to a question you didn't ask, but at least  
>it's a question I know an answer for <g>.

>Regards,
>Fred Sturm
>University of New Mexico
>fssturm@unm.edu



>On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Andrew Anderson wrote:

>> Most do have evidence of lubricant to a greater or lesser degree.   
>> The one that was the worst, so far, had terrible unisons when I got  
>> to it. (I think the lubricant got all the way to the bridge in the  
>> treble.)
>>
>> The pin block is tight, the pins are "springy".  The average  
>> humidity is 60% Rh right now.  In Laredo there aren't any mountains  
>> between us and the cost so it doesn't get terribly dry relative- 
>> humidity-wise.   Think south-Texas.
>>
>> So, this is a foreign substance.  What is the least damaging way to  
>> get it out?  I've mentally debated trickling various solvents down  
>> the wires over the bar into a rag below.  I don't like that idea.   
>> Another that came to mind is using the heat gun to mobilize it with  
>> heat and forced air out of that position.  That also has its  
>> drawbacks, maybe less so than the first idea.  Anyone have tested  
>> ideas or want to hazard some opinions?
>>
>> PRN =/= as needed
>> TAMIU = Texas A & M International University
>>
>> Andrew Anderson
>>
>>
>> At 07:59 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for my ignorance but explain:   PRN?   TAMIU?   If all of  
>>> the Bostons, or majority of them have this stuff...sounds like  
>>> someone lubed them.   The factory isn't going put something in the  
>>> piano that attracts dust/dirt.   These are basically Kawais.   You  
>>> could have dried out pinblocks...Texas.   Seems to me Avery can  
>>> talk you through this...
>>>
>>> David I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
>>> From: "Andrew Anderson" <andrew@andersonmusic.com>
>>> To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org>
>>> Received: 10/6/2005 5:24:07 PM
>>> Subject: [CAUT] Grease/Oil on upright pressure bar
>>>
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >I'm tuning on a PRN basis for TAMIU here in Laredo.  They finally
>>> >decided their black cages full of warbling songbirds and howling
>>> >seals needed a little discipline.  (The grands are better, 50 to 80
>>> >cents sharp on the top octave though, every piano.)
>>>
>>> >They have a bunch of Boston uprights (UP-125 II)  that are proving
>>> >quite annoying.  There is very little discernable friction between
>>> >the tuning pin and the speaking portion of the wire.  I got
>>> >suspicious, went to the restroom and got some white paper.  Swiped
>>> >the wires, yellow stuff, swiped the underside of the pressure bar,
>>> >more yellow stuff.  Not very thick, but collecting dust anyway.   
>>> When
>>> >I massaged the wires with the beat suppressor after the first pitch
>>> >correction pass I noticed that the wires were collecting a little
>>> >dust too, sticky. ... These are fairly new pianos, couple years  
>>> at most.
>>>
>>> >When I say low-friction, I mean I can put my little hammer vertical
>>> >on a pin and walk a unison above and below tune without stressing  
>>> my pinky.
>>>
>>> >Is this normal?  Making unisons stable is a bit of a chore.  No
>>> >wonder they were warbling & howling.  Do they come from the factory
>>> >this way? or did one of the past piana toonas oil everything up?
>>>
>>> >Over lubricated in Laredo,
>>> >Andrew
>>>
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