[CAUT] International standard?

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From: Keith Kopp <keith_kopp@byu.edu>
To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>
Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:35:05 -0600
Subject: RE: [CAUT] International standard?


To all,

Thought you might consider the yellow PTG written exam. Question: Which
of the following statements is true? Answer: A. International Concert
Pitch A-440 was established in 1917 by agreement between piano
manufacturerers. C. The international treaty establishing A-440 as
worldwide standard pitch was signed in 1939. Correct answer: C.

Keith

When the exam committee worked on the written exam, we discussed this question. 
I can't remember who found the information, but we did agree to leave it on the exam. 
Mr. Swenson's article supports the question, and answer. 
"On July 27, 1987, at its meeting in Toronto, the International Society of Piano Builders and Technicians unanimously renewed their support for A=440 as the international pitch standard for piano manufacturers and for modern piano and orchestral tuning. The advantages for the acceptance of A=440 by all makers of modern musical instruments for use in concert halls and recording studios seems obvious. Unfortunately, the question of musical pitch is even more complicated today than it was fifty years ago when an International Conference in London also recommended the international use of A=440.  
 
 
Wim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Kopp <keith_kopp@byu.edu>
To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>
Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:35:05 -0600
Subject: RE: [CAUT] International standard?


To all,

Thought you might consider the yellow PTG written exam. Question: Which
of the following statements is true? Answer: A. International Concert
Pitch A-440 was established in 1917 by agreement between piano
manufacturerers. C. The international treaty establishing A-440 as
worldwide standard pitch was signed in 1939. Correct answer: C.

Keith

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From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Jeff Tanner
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:33 AM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] International standard?

Hey Alan,
I think I asked a similar question about 4 or 5 years ago.  I found 
some of this information difficult to obtain for some reason.  What I 
did learn was that, NO, A440 is not an American introduction, nor does 
it involve any kind of American conceit.  Apparently, it was the French 
Government in the mid 19th century which was the first to put its foot 
down about pitch.  My recollection is that the year was about 1859, 
but, that is recollection.  Apparently, there was about as much 
difference in an A as there is in a G and B and some standard was being 
requested by the industry.  I'm sure the evolution and advances of the 
piano during the period may have had significant influence, but that is 
absolute speculation.  It was not until sometime around 1920 that the 
US adopted this standard, again, to the best of my recollection.

What the remainder of Europe did is beyond the scope of my knowledge.

I suspect there is a lot of truth to Steve's explanation of the 
origination of 442.  I have been asked to tune sharp so that the piano 
will stand out, and have been told by other techs that they do it as 
well.  Problem arises, though, when you've got an instrument SCALED to 
be tuned at 440, the orchestra tunes to 442 and you're tuning sharp so 
that the piano will stand out.  Then, you've got the cycle started.  In 
10 more years, we'll be tuning sharp to 446....

At what point does the plate and frame of the piano fail and kill the 
conductor asking for the higher pitch?

Jeff

On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 03:16 PM, Alan McCoy wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find out about the history of the agreement 
> to
> standardize pitch at A-440? Like who was present and under what 
> auspices was
> the agreement reached? Just curious as to whether the current
disparity
> regarding this issue of an "international" standard is American 
> conceit,
> European amnesia/intransigence or what.
>
> Along this line. Is it only the string section pushing for a higher 
> pitch?
> If a string player wants more brilliance, is there a different way to
> achieve it other than changing the pitch? Like changing wire gauge? 
> Does the
> higher pitch actually give a more "brilliant" quality?
>
> I'm probably addressing the wrong group here, but I'm still curious 
> about
> this issue.
>
> Alan
>
>
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