hot hide glue wash

[llafargue]

Forgot to ad....The whiter the glue, the lower the fat content and the
better the quality.  Good glue is almost white like a manila folder, not
brown like peanut butter.  I get mine from Pianotek along with Urea.  

Lance Lafargue, RPT
LAFARGUE PIANOS
New Orleans Chapter, PTG
985.72P.IANO
llafargue@charter.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
llafargue
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 6:43 AM
To: ilvey@sbcglobal.net; 'College and University Technicians'
Subject: RE: hot hide glue wash

I agree David.  Also, I believe the idea of sizing is very important
(white glue won't).  The whole mortise and cloth is covered in glue and
after drying, every area is smooth and flat for low friction.  I would
reread articles.  I was taught to get glue to a consistency where when
it drips back into the pot, the drop kind of sits on top for a second.
It takes a while before you find the right thickness, then need to keep
glue covered and occasionally add water to keep it there.  Too thick, it
strings and gets messy, too thin and it wicks too deep into the cloth
and comes through to cause noise against the key pins. I get it just
thin enough not to string and be messy.  Also don't forget the use of
Urea helps with work/drying time and after drying, following with a key
bushing iron smooths any inconsistencies.    

Lance Lafargue, RPT
LAFARGUE PIANOS
New Orleans Chapter, PTG
985.72P.IANO
llafargue@charter.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
David Ilvedson
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:00 AM
To: caut@ptg.org
Subject: RE: hot hide glue wash

That's the beauty of hot hide glue when used correctly...it sets up
quickly and doesn't overally wick into the cloth.   I think just
re-reading Bill Spurlock's key bushing articles can clear up hot hide
problems...

David I.



----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org>
To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>
Received: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:35:54 -0700
Subject: RE: hot hide glue wash

>At 10:16 PM 6/4/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>I suppose it does matter how much you use. I have tried to remove
bushings 
>>installed with white glue. Cursed the whole job through. What a mess. 
>>Never did get it all off but enough, I reasoned to make the new ones 
>>successful.
>>
>>Greg Newell

>Somebody must have really smeared the stuff in there. It's the big
globs of 
>white glue which are hard to remove. I put an even but thin ribbon on
the 
>bushing itself, and then use Bill Spurlock's cauls. By the time the
wood 
>absorbs some and the bushing absorbs some, there shouldn't be any left
to 
>squeeze out and make a mess. Actually, I found that the time I tried
the 
>hot hide glue it wicked into the cloth worse than the Elmer's. No doubt
the 
>hot hide glue  was the wrong consistency and I probably used too much.

>Susan Kline

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