Leg question

[Avery Todd]

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John,

Thanks for the reply. The Jansen truck mentioned I had assumed
was one of the "spider" dolly types but from what you say here,
it doesn't sound like it.

Anyway, if I can get the money out of them, I'd much prefer the
large brass wheels. Our pianos are moved around a good bit and
it would make it so much easier. Besides, as nice as the hall
is and how good it looks, it would only add to the overall
apperance. That's probably the way I'll actually succeed in
getting the money. :-)

One question. If I understand all the below correctly, I would
buy the shorter legs from Steinway and the wheels from Renner
USA? Or is it just that the wheels that Steinway carries are
"from" Renner? Let me know when you get a chance. I want to be
armed with all I can get when I approach the Director of the
dept.
Thanks.

Avery

>I see that Ron replied with prices.
>
>Below are a couple of posts from Ted Sambell and one from John Minor
>several months ago when I made inquiries. We went with the shorter legs
>and Renner casters and don't regret it. The original Steinway B casters
>were creasing the new stage floor terribly. We don't have that problem at
>all with the Renner casters. The problem for us with a Jansen concert
>grand truck would have been that, if the piano just needed to be moved a
>few feet, would they really go off stage to get the truck for that short
>move? In time, the stage floor would have suffered quite a bit from these
>short moves.
>
>By the way, we sold 3 of the 6 brand new original Steinway ebony legs that
>were left over when we replaced them with short legs, so we still have 3
>for sale. These will fit models B & D.
>
>John Baird Millikin University
>Decatur, Illinois
>>
>>Darnell casters are available from Schaff Piano Supply Co. 451 Oakwood Rd..
>>Lake Zurich, Illinois, U.S.A. 60047-1516. As there are a variety of styles,
>>I suggest you send for their catalogue; I believe there is a modest charge
>>for it. 
>>The wheels are much as you described, with a ball bearing on top for
>>swivelling, The stems plug into a socket which has to be screwed into the
>>leg. You may have to first plug the leg hole then rebore a smaller hole for
>>the socket. The caster stem is then just pushed in and tapped home. This
>>makes the casters easily replaceable in case of damage; just pry the old
>>one out and plug in a new one.  Darnells are excellent quality and the
>>design lends itself to piano applications very well. But if you are
>>considering putting them on a large concert grand, it would be better to go
>>to the heavy duty casters supplied by Renner. These are large dual wheeled
>>casters which require  an inch or so to be cut off the legs. They are far
>>superoir to putting the piano on a dolly. 
>>
>>I know the Renner casters are expensive; they also have a somewhat cheaper
>>aluminum type which is also satisfactory, but I would really dig your heels
>>in on this. Your university has obviously put a great deal of effort and
>>resources into their building and equipment. Not to go the extra mile for a
>>couple of thousand  seems "penny wise and dollar foolish'. In our
>>experience, our pianos get moved  frequently, and we found that when they
>>were mounted on a stage truck they never go back quite the same as when
>>they are removed. This is because even if the bolts are tight, the  arms
>>shift out of position when carried, because of the very heavy weight. As a
>>result, replacing the piano on the truck invariably results in damage to
>>the bottom of the legs. Our support staff detests them, as I am sure most
>>movers do. We put the Renners on all our large pianos and have never
>>regretted it. Hamburg S&S D's come with the aluminum casters already
>>installed, (these also have locks). If you are acquiring a new New Yok D it
>>might be possible to get them to put thse on as an option. The brass ones
>>with the locks are superb, beautifully machined. a set of three has two
>>with locks and one without.
>>
>>We use the large brass mother-of-all-casters on our performance pianos at
>>the University of Illinois. We ended up buying the shorter legs, costing
>>around $275 or so for each. Beats trying to shorten well-proportioned
>>legs!
>
>Avery Todd wrote:
>>
>>List,
>>
>>Someone recently posted about installing new legs with the large brass
>>wheels but I can't remember who. Does that
>>person, or anyone else, know an approximate price for a set
>>of those?
>> 

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